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    12 M for 2 years from Cleveland.

    No thanks yo, I play for Pop.
    And with my IDOL Emanuel Ginobili.
    He's probably better than his idol at the point in their careers

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    Well it would extremely dumb to go over room exception for 100k.

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    Quite frankly, De Colo should be gone.
    He is a 1 year younger clone of Beli with less everything.

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    It's really close to the room exception that is exactly $5.42M over 2 years.
    Does it need to be falt 5.42? or would 5.6 suffice as the room excpetion?

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    We still have the MLE if it was the room exception?

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    I'd be really impressed if he turned down twice the salary to play for SAS, but I don't believe it. Belinelli wasn't going to get offered more than the MLE, even by Cleveland...
    Yea, kind of hard to believe. Now if it was reportedly Toronto or Charlotte I might have believed it easier. They've never had a clue on how to manage salaries.

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    Obviously, we gotta hope it was for the room exception. It would kinda suck to have to replace Neal with the bigger slice of the MLE.

    Other random thoughts:

    -This feels like the Spurs made an offer to Neal, he didn't take it so they moved quickly to find a replacement. They probably offered Neal the same amount.

    -Swapping Belinelli for Neal puts more pressure on Cory Joseph. Unlike Neal, Belinelli can't even pretend to play backup point guard. I don't think a Belinelli/Ginobili backcourt would work.

    -I want CJ as part of the rotation next year, so I see that added pressure as a good thing.

    -Neal vs. Belinelli is very close talent-wise. I'd maybe say Neal is a slightly better player. That said, Belinelli has more upside, he's bigger and can't be a worse defender.

    -On a scale of 1 to 10, Neal is probably a 2 defender. Belinelli last year was a 3 or 3.5 ..... but that was with Tom Thibodeau pushing him and he's even more strict about defense than Pop. So touting Belinelli as a upgrade defensively over Neal is dangerous because he could end up being the same level.

    -Historically, Belinelli's shot selection is as bad or worse than Neal's.








    After thinking about it some, I'm not excited or disappointed in this move. Swapping Neal for Belinelli probably doesn't move the needle at all. Going with Belinelli is a little bit more volatile because he's the type of player who could piss off Pop and end up in the doghouse ....... but he also has enough untapped potential to surprise and have his best season in San Antonio.

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    is this also dependent on a bonner amnesty and the Bello contract being room exception?
    Yes, the full scenario would be:

    First step, Spurs re-sign Manu, amnesty Bonner, renounce to Neal, Blair and Mcgrady and got a letter from Jean-Charles confirming he would stay in France for the next season.
    Second step, Spurs do that S&T for Kirilenko.
    Third, step, Spurs re-sign Splitter and sign Belinelli with the room exeception.

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    He's probably better than his idol at the point in their careers
    Don't count on Beli to ever acknowledge that, if ever true.

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    It's really close to the room exception that is exactly $5.42M over 2 years.

    We don't even have the room exception to offer. Just face it, we used a part of the MLE. The more you face reality, the less you'll be disappointed when you find out the truth.

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    I don't even think you can get the room exception after doing a sign & trade anyway.

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    We still have the MLE if it was the room exception?
    No. This is the part I'm sure of. It's one or the other. RT @decoburak can we use room exception then mle together?

    nope.

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    if jeff it is part of it I would say the opposite

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    Does it need to be falt 5.42? or would 5.6 suffice as the room excpetion?
    If it's $5.6M, it can't be the room exception.

    The max contract a player could get with the room exception this year is:
    13-14: $2,652,000
    14-15: $2,771,340
    For a total of $5,423,340

    If Belinelli is even paid $1 more than that, he can't be signed with that exception.

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    I don't even think you can get the room exception after doing a sign & trade anyway.
    Just a hint: thinking that you know more about the CBA than Bruno is a loser's game.

    You're wrong about the S&T and the room exception, btw..

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    I'm sure Pop wouldn't keep encouraging Mills to come back if he didn't feel like he could be better than he is. Mills was always a better compliment to Ginobili than Neal. Joseph in the very least has shown flashes of being a good scorer. He's actually a pretty good shooter, and he's an excellent finisher. He just needs the right mentality. The same thing can be said for De Colo as well. It's Pop's job to develop that.

    There's no point in having young players on the team if they're just going to spend their rookie contracts on the bench. I thought Pop had learned that after these last couple of years, but I don't know anymore.
    Who said he ever encouraged him? Don't get me wrong, I think they like him, because he's a great teammate and an excellent 12th man, but they clearly don't see him as more than that. Why else would De Colo and Joseph have been given cracks at being the backup PG, but he wasn't? This despite the fact that everyone had him as Neal's primary compe ion beforehand.

    Joseph hasn't shown flashes of anything offensively, with the exception of intuitive cutting . . . and I'm not sure why so many are pretending otherwise. I've never seen a rotation player with less responsibility in the playoffs.

    There is a point and that point is, for depth purposes. Besides, he could still be the long term answer at backup PG; I just think it's highly unlikely his time is now, which doesn't jive with the rest of this team.

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    No. This is the part I'm sure of. It's one or the other. RT @decoburak can we use room exception then mle together?

    nope.
    Thanks..

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    Belinelli finally rejoins Manu: http://web.legabasket.it/game/60241/

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    Obviously, we gotta hope it was for the room exception. It would kinda suck to have to replace Neal with the bigger slice of the MLE.

    Other random thoughts:

    -This feels like the Spurs made an offer to Neal, he didn't take it so they moved quickly to find a replacement. They probably offered Neal the same amount.

    -Swapping Belinelli for Neal puts more pressure on Cory Joseph. Unlike Neal, Belinelli can't even pretend to play backup point guard. I don't think a Belinelli/Ginobili backcourt would work.

    -I want CJ as part of the rotation next year, so I see that added pressure as a good thing.

    -Neal vs. Belinelli is very close talent-wise. I'd maybe say Neal is a slightly better player. That said, Belinelli has more upside, he's bigger and can't be a worse defender.

    -On a scale of 1 to 10, Neal is probably a 2 defender. Belinelli last year was a 3 or 3.5 ..... but that was with Tom Thibodeau pushing him and he's even more strict about defense than Pop. So touting Belinelli as a upgrade defensively over Neal is dangerous because he could end up being the same level.

    -Historically, Belinelli's shot selection is as bad or worse than Neal's.








    After thinking about it some, I'm not excited or disappointed in this move. Swapping Neal for Belinelli probably doesn't move the needle at all. Going with Belinelli is a little bit more volatile because he's the type of player who could piss off Pop and end up in the doghouse ....... but he also has enough untapped potential to surprise and have his best season in San Antonio.
    if it's for 5,4M you should be excited imho

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    Hmm.... was psyched when I first saw this because for some reason I thought it was Gallinari . Not sure how I feel about this guy. Wasn't he pretty good against the Heat?

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    yes !!!!


    Finally someone with cojones !



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    So at this point, we should be worried about 200k dollars. Hopefully, the front office made the correct decision. This could be the difference between contending for a championship and not making it out of the west.

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    If it's not the room exception . . .

    This offseason was pure garbage.

    And let me tell you . . .

    It's not the room exception. Because the Spurs won't amnesty Bonner. To them, Bonner is worth a 10 Kirilenkos.

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    If it's not the room exception . . .

    This offseason was pure garbage.

    And let me tell you . . .

    It's not the room exception. Because the Spurs won't amnesty Bonner. To them, Bonner is worth a 10 Kirilenkos.
    It's the truth and we all know it deep down...

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    If the Spurs were blowing their MLE, better to give Clark a 2/10 deal and re-up Neal.

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