Yahoo: Spurs' talks for Andrei Kirilenko end without deal

[Leetonidas]

A billionaire who wants in will get in...and a few million here or there is peanuts to the haves. You must be a have not hoping against hope that your reality (i.e., the Spurs) will forever be around. Get a life, son. But, then, one less starry-eyed sheeple won't make a difference. So go ahead, keep your priorities screwed. Now, back to real life.

[Leetonidas]

No. Literally, this is what the Spurs had to be hoping would happen. Now if the Wolves use their MLE on Brewer, they can get the players they want without having to renounce Kirilenko. That gives the Spurs time to work out a sign-and-trade. Had the team not used a trade exception, then they would have had to renounce AK, which WOULD have killed the deal.

Chinook with the goods per par. Let's hope things will fall into place

[monkeypunk]

Bunch of emo posters getting put on the ignore list due to this thread, imo...

[coyotes_geek]

So he's a free agent now and we couldn't have gotten him without a sign and trade because we blew our money on Pendergraph and Manu/Splitter correct?

I'd say it was more of a case of the Spurs not thinking that it would be worth it to make all the moves that they would have to make in order to clear enough cap space to sign AK. I had a post on that scenario a couple of pages back, and basically the Spurs would have had to run off a third of the roster to do it once you account for waiving/renouncing/trading Bonner, Blair, Neal, DeColo, Mills and maybe even Joseph too.

[spurraider21]

Do it Mitch!

[Leetonidas]

Bunch of emo posters getting put on the ignore list due to this thread, imo...

that'll show them!

[coyotes_geek]

No. Literally, this is what the Spurs had to be hoping would happen. Now if the Wolves use their MLE on Brewer, they can get the players they want without having to renounce Kirilenko. That gives the Spurs time to work out a sign-and-trade. Had the team not used a trade exception, then they would have had to renounce AK, which WOULD have killed the deal.

Teams over the cap can't just make a trade to take on a $7 mil salary without having to send any salary out. If Minnesota made this trade while being over the cap, they'd have had to match salaries. That means more players and a 3rd team would have to be involved since we know OKC didn't take any salary back.

If Minnesota made this trade while being under the cap, they'd have had to have the cap space to take on that $7 mil salary. The only way they could do that would be to renounce AK and get his $11.7 mil cap hold off their books.

[Chinook]

Not to mention, Minnesota finds themselves in need of a point-guard all of the sudden. They just have Rubio and Barea on the roster right now. I'm better De Colo looks attractive to them after this trade. All the Spurs need to do is find a team to take Bonner, and they're golden.

[Chinook]

Teams over the cap can't just make a trade to take on a $7 mil salary without having to send any salary out. If Minnesota made this trade while being over the cap, they'd have had to match salaries. That means more players and a 3rd team would have to be involved since we know OKC didn't take any salary back.

If Minnesota made this trade while being under the cap, they'd have had to have the cap space to take on that $7 mil salary. The only way they could do that would be to renounce AK and get his $11.7 mil cap hold off their books.

They traded Ridnour for Martin. The salaries JUST BARELY match. Ridnour makes $4.32 Million this season. 150 percent of that plus $100k gives them $6.58 Million in salary they can take back. The first year of a $28M/4 deal with 4.5-percent raises is $6.56 Million. It works, just by the skin of its teeth.

[Leetonidas]

Hawks could honestly use Bonner to stretch the floor off the bench with Millsap/Horford as their starters imo

[xmas1997]

Teams over the cap can't just make a trade to take on a $7 mil salary without having to send any salary out. If Minnesota made this trade while being over the cap, they'd have had to match salaries. That means more players and a 3rd team would have to be involved since we know OKC didn't take any salary back.

If Minnesota made this trade while being under the cap, they'd have had to have the cap space to take on that $7 mil salary. The only way they could do that would be to renounce AK and get his $11.7 mil cap hold off their books.

No. Literally, this is what the Spurs had to be hoping would happen. Now if the Wolves use their MLE on Brewer, they can get the players they want without having to renounce Kirilenko. That gives the Spurs time to work out a sign-and-trade. Had the team not used a trade exception, then they would have had to renounce AK, which WOULD have killed the deal.

Geez, I'm more confused than ever now.
So what are the realistic options to get him then?

[DesignatedT]

Not to mention, Minnesota finds themselves in need of a point-guard all of the sudden. They just have Rubio and Barea on the roster right now. I'm better De Colo looks attractive to them after this trade. All the Spurs need to do is find a team to take Bonner, and they're golden.

Bonner would have to be moved or is an amnesty still a possibility under this scenario?

[Chinook]

Bonner would have to be moved or is an amnesty still a possibility under this scenario?

Traded. Amnesty won't work.

[Chinook]

Geez, I'm more confused than ever now.
So what are the realistic options to get him then?

They traded Ridnour for Martin. The salaries JUST BARELY match. Ridnour makes $4.32 Million this season. 150 percent of that plus $100k gives them $6.58 Million in salary they can take back. The first year of a $28M/4 deal with 4.5-percent raises is $6.56 Million. It works, just by the skin of its teeth.

[elemento]

Traded. Amnesty won't work.

Is there still a possibility that Bonner accepted to change his guaranteed money day ? Because I don't think it's an easy task to move Bonner's 4m salary this season without sending a major incentive.

[poop]

This thread is starting to resemble a complex math equation. I'm lost

[Chinook]

Is there still a possibility that Bonner accepted to change his guaranteed money day ? Because I don't think it's an easy task to move Bonner's 4m salary this season without sending a major incentive.

It's not, which is why I don't think the trade will happen. The Spurs will probably have to pay a pick or Jean-Charles for a team to take Bonner. But the good news is that De Colo may be enough for the Wolves to trade Kirilenko without a pick.

[rjv]

if i could make an analogy-the potential acquistion of AK seems to have gone from a cancer patient who had a 50/50 shot to now considering the latest experimental chemo with little chance of success. that is, we seem to be grasping for hope.

[K-State Spur]

Is there still a possibility that Bonner accepted to change his guaranteed money day ? Because I don't think it's an easy task to move Bonner's 4m salary this season without sending a major incentive.

Not that difficult. Now, difficult to do without taking you don't want (probably for a longer timespan) back in return - sure.

[Seventyniner]

The scenarios would be much easier to figure out if we knew about what starting salary AK is looking for.

I would imagine that AK and the Spurs have agreed on a contract in principle if everything else shakes out the right way. The Spurs wouldn't go through all these gyrations only to have AK back out at the last minute.

[cd98]

Now Minny wants to sign Ronny Turiaf? Don't they know we can send them Blair or Bonner?

[benefactor]

Now Minny wants to sign Ronny Turiaf? Don't they know we can send them Blair or Bonner?

Bonner is more expensive and Blair isn't better than Turiaf.

[SpursSerb]

So are the Cavs now out of race for AK?

[CaptainLate]

And somehow this thread will still top 50 pages.

If the AK issue is resolved today, I don't see how that could happen...unless people keep responding to non-AK47 comments (e.g., whether the Spurs will be moving or not).

[Man In Black]

I will let the cap geniuses project out. While they may not always be right, it's such an interesting study. It would seem that Larry Coon has created an army of hardcore cap enthusiasts. I think that's pretty cool.

Let's get AK-47 and if not...then I guess Greg Oden?