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    Sources: PF/C Austin Daye, and PGs Bobby Brown, Darius Morris and Brooklyn's Quincy Douby have worked out for #Knicks this week in Vegas.



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    Why's that Chino? Green makes 3.5m/year.
    It's the whole BYC thing. If Blair is signed-and-traded with a contract that gives him at least a 120-percent raise from last season, then his outgoing salary for trade purposes is only half of what his actual salary is. So in this case, in order to take back Green's $3.5 Million, the Spurs need to send out $2.3 Million. But in order to get that much outgoing salary with Blair alone, his deal would have to start at twice that. So that would mean he'd need to make a little more than $4.5 Million.

    The same thing is true for Neal as well.

    http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q87

    The 2011 CBA mostly eliminated BYC -- in fact, the term "Base Year Compensation" was removed from the agreement entirely. The rules formerly known as BYC now apply under just one cir stance -- during sign-and-trade transactions (see question number 89). If a team is over the cap and re-signs its Larry Bird or Early Bird free agent with a raise greater than 20%, in order to trade the player in a sign-and-trade arrangement, then the player's outgoing salary for trade purposes is either his previous salary or 50% of his new salary, whichever is greater. The team receiving the player always uses his new salary.
    For example, a player made $5 million last season, is a Larry Bird free agent, and re-signs with his previous team (which is a taxpayer and therefore well over the cap) for $10 million. The signing is part of a sign-and-trade with another team, for that team's $10 million player. Since the conditions were satisfied the player's outgoing salary for trade purposes is $5 million. This trade would not be allowed, even though the players' new salaries match, since a taxpaying team cannot trade a $5 million player for a $10 million player. The highest salary this team could acquire in a sign-and-trade arrangement is $6.35 million1.
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    How about Shumpert? Could be the combo guard we need.

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    How about Shumpert? Could be the combo guard we need.
    Don't think the Knicks would give him up. He's their best perimeter defender and is still very cheap.

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    Don't think the Knicks would give him up. He's their best perimeter defender and is still very cheap.
    There's reports of tensions between Shumpert and the owner after he only played one summer league game and left but you're still probably right.

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    Considering that they're pretty close to the lux tax, I'd say they would be interested in a S&T for Blair. But, the only trade that seem to work on paper is Blair (S&T) for Gerald Green. He is ubber athletic,has great size but offers nothing else. Low BBIQ, not great defensively and not a great shooter. Not Spurs material imo.
    He hit 39% of his 3pts in New Jersey after he returned to the NBA. Last season he hit only 31.4% 3pt which is well below his average of 35%. He is a good shooter, great. He like a gazelle in the fastbreak. For 12 minutes a game you can do worse.

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    It would be really hard to make a Blair-for-Green swap. Blair would need to get $4.5 Million in his first year to make salaries match.
    Just to clear, you can't add a player in to a s&t it would just have to be Blair being shipped out?

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    It would be really hard to make a Blair-for-Green swap. Blair would need to get $4.5 Million in his first year to make salaries match.
    This is why we shouldn't have jumped the gun on Pendergraph. We could have waited to do a S&T with Indy for Pendergraph and Green. Gerald Green has been very inconsistent throughout his career but he has shown some potential, especially his 2011-2012 sesason. I wonder how much Pop and Chip Engelland can get out of this kid. I'm pretty sure that Gerald Green wouldn't mind playing alongside his cousin. http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/...1/gerald-green

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    Just to clear, you can't add a player in to a s&t it would just have to be Blair being shipped out?
    You can. I mentioned it as a good way to get around the BYC restriction. But now you're talking about giving up two players for Gerald Green who's flashed decently enough by hasn't had a very good career. You also have to worry about finding another team to take whoever you dump, which could mean giving up another asset for someone. All in all, it's doable, but not desirable.

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    New York doesn't have many players on their roster so they could be good candidate to do a two for one trade that would help us.

    When I look at their roster they could use a center so maybe Baynes + someone + pick for Shumpert?

    Bonner could be a good Amare insurance for them now that they lost Novak... But then not sure how you'd make the salaries match...

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    This is why we shouldn't have jumped the gun on Pendergraph. We could have waited to do a S&T with Indy for Pendergraph and Green. Gerald Green has been very inconsistent throughout his career but he has shown potential. I wonder how much Pop would get out of this kid. http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/...1/gerald-green
    That would have made salaries even harder to match. You'd have to almost add Bonner at that point, and that makes it a harder sell to a team near the tax

    If the Spurs had wanted Green and Pendergraph, the smarter think to do would have been to trade Bonner for Green on draft night (the Pacers were willing to move their first along with Green for salary-cap relief, according to some reports) and then either sign Pendergraph or trade a guard for him. That would have left the MLE untouched, provided they would have called Neal's bluff and not used any on Belinelli.

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    New York doesn't have many players on their roster so they could be good candidate to do a two for one trade that would help us.

    When I look at their roster they could use a center so maybe Baynes + someone + pick for Shumpert?

    Bonner could be a good Amare insurance for them now that they lost Novak... But then not sure how you'd make the salaries match...
    New York pretty much blew its trade load on Bargnani. They no longer have the flexibility to acquire a player like Bonner, since they've given up their mid-level expiring contracts. They could still pull off a small trade like Baynes and Mills for Shumpert, but that's about it until December.

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    It's the whole BYC thing. If Blair is signed-and-traded with a contract that gives him at least a 120-percent raise from last season, then his outgoing salary for trade purposes is only half of what his actual salary is. So in this case, in order to take back Green's $3.5 Million, the Spurs need to send out $2.3 Million. But in order to get that much outgoing salary with Blair alone, his deal would have to start at twice that. So that would mean he'd need to make a little more than $4.5 Million.

    The same thing is true for Neal as well.

    http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q87
    Ohh I see. Thanks for the info man. If that's the case, there's zero chance a trade happens. I don't even think SA likes Green anyway.

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    He hit 39% of his 3pts in New Jersey after he returned to the NBA. Last season he hit only 31.4% 3pt which is well below his average of 35%. He is a good shooter, great. He like a gazelle in the fastbreak. For 12 minutes a game you can do worse.
    Even though SA would not be giving up anything here (Blair is gone anyways), Green doesn't look like a Spurs material player. I like the fact that he has great size and crazy athleticism, but I think he should offer a bit more to get a 3.5m paycheck from SA. There's a reason why Indy put him in the trade block and couldn't find him a home.

    Indy did a great job last season and they have a nice team, but they sucked big time signing their role players, especially Ian.

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    This is why we shouldn't have jumped the gun on Pendergraph. We could have waited to do a S&T with Indy for Pendergraph and Green. Gerald Green has been very inconsistent throughout his career but he has shown some potential, especially his 2011-2012 sesason. I wonder how much Pop and Chip Engelland can get out of this kid. I'm pretty sure that Gerald Green wouldn't mind playing alongside his cousin. http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/...1/gerald-green
    As someone who watched Gerald Green in his time with the Nets, it would not be worth it. Better option and a lot cheaper going after Cory Joseph's cousin Kris who fills the small forward hole. He tears it up in the D-League but never really gets a chance in the NBA. Green on the other hand took advantage of the situation in New Jersey and got paid.

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    I saw DJ White just got release. I think people were clamoring for him a few years ago.

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    Mike Miller has cleared amnesty waivers and become a free agent, league source tells Y! Sports.



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    Mike Miller cleared amnesty waivers & is a free agent. Spurs, Thunder, Grizzlies & Rockets among teams with interest in signing him.




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    Of course Spurs are interested.

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    Of course Rockets are interested.

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    Grizzlies would make a lot of sense for both sides...

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    Not my ideal backup SF for Kawhi, but Mike Miller wouldn't be a bad option.

    I'm not sure how effective he would be, but he's an upgrade over Tracy McGrady. He didn't play much in the playoffs, but was ready when Spo called his number. He's still capable of hitting big shots.

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    Oklahoma City has emerged as a frontrunner to sign free agent Mike Miller, league sources tell Y! Sports.




    Trade exception

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    Oh well.

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