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i don't think it was made out to be a black vs white thing. the prosecutors never brought up race during the trial. people's guilt and lack of empathy made it a racial thing.
I'm just going off Kool's argument that everything she said just had to be accurate. No one ever said her saying Trayvon said "get off me" wasn't credible. You need to read that again, son. We said it's possible that Trayvon started the , and when the scuffle happened, Trayvon said "get off me." If Trayvon was running, and trying to get away, why did he make it only 30 yards in 4 minutes? It's all in the video I posted, if you watch it. Trayvon went back for him. You're as bad as cool..everything's gotta be about the race card. Why couldn't it be a su ious person..he got out to follow, and then the su ious person attacked? Why does it have to be about race? If that's the case, his mom is hispanic..that legally makes Zimmerman hispanic...this isn't a black/white thing...they need to stop with that . Like I said..it's a ruse put on to get everyone's minds off the real problems in our society. But honestly, if you really think Trayvon was shot just for walking home, you're not ready to have a conversation.
i don't think it was made out to be a black vs white thing. the prosecutors never brought up race during the trial. people's guilt and lack of empathy made it a racial thing.
Hold up now...him being an addict comes from an evil place and you don't need that type of karma, but you'll talk about how bad Zimmerman is? Come on now...keep it real here. These weren't stories...these weren't someone trying to paint . Don't bash the video if you refuse to watch it. Everything in this video was all evidence and facts. Facebook posts...Tweets. Proof that Trayvon was looking for codeine to make lean. One of his friends telling him tussin worked just as good. Him talking about a lot of things that are not talked about by "nice innocent 17 year olds." Did he deserve to die because of it? No...but if he attacked Zim like the evidence and witnesses say, Zim was protecting his life. You can't throw the race card at that .
i didn't mention the prosecution. new outlets. everybody you talk to about the case. this damn forum. everywhere. its been made out to be a black vs white thing and don't act like you're oblivious to it
fify, man.
In the case with the woman, she started this confrontation herself...and the issue was, she not only pointed the gun at her husband, but also his two kids, and the warning shots went through a wall into a room where another one of their kids were. Zimmerman was let off because he didn't start the confrontation.
If that was true, he would have been home about a half hour before Z even saw him. There was a big gap between the store, and the confrontation, not to mention the gap between Zimmerman losing sight of him, and the confrontation. If TM wanted to be home, in any form, he would have been.
Thanks for the clarification, SF. That sounds about right.
If he was just trying to get his ass home, he would have made it pretty easily. GZ's call to the police state that he was walking around and looking at houses. Plus there is no evidence that he continued to follow Martin after the dispatcher told him not to. I don't have a doubt that Zimmerman shouldn't have gotten out of his car and both sides could have done things to prevent the tragedy. But to use this case as the defining race moment in America is re ed as Rachel would say...
Yep...100 yards he had to go....he made it 30 yards in 4 minutes. No way in was he trying to make it home. Especially not running, as they were trying to say.
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its evil because 1.) he's dead and not here to defend himself and his family has been nothing but class this entire time and 2.) he was a child. i love children and would never smear a dead child, that's pure unfiltered evil. george bush snorted cocaine and had dui's as a young man but was he labeled a thug? no, kids experiment nowadays and he had no criminal record or history of serious crimes. he was just a kid doing what most kids his age do.
i'm not oblivious to the racism, majority of it is very one sided. when will people stop blaming the media? just turn the tv off and go into the real world and you'll see the issues firsthand.
he would have made it very easily if zimmerman wouldn't have made it obvious he was following him. i don't know about you, but if a stranger is following me and there are no adults home, i'm going to try to hide from him; not let him follow me to my house. ya'll have no street smarts.
go back a few pages and read the link and the husbands testimony. he said it hisself he was in rage and not going to let her leave that house.
i didn't say you are being oblivious to racism. heck, you see it even when it isn't there. i said you are being oblivious to the fact that this case is being made all about race when it doesn't warrant it. and forget the media. everybody i talk to in person, as you suggest, or elsewhere such as on this forum is going along with the narrative that this is a black vs white thing
Man..so many hypotheticals coming out of this. Truth is, witness say Travyon reigning blows on Zim...Zim was all ed up and Trayvon just had some bruised knuckles, besides the bullet wound. I'm not about making Trayvon out to be evil. I just hate how the media made him out to be a saint and Zimmerman out to be an evil racist murderer. They weren't real about it. If it was just an honest trial, it would be a different story. But it wasn't. Half of Zim's evidence in his favor didn't even come out, and he still was found not guilty. They did a horrible job on the prosecution, and everything pointed to self defense. That's why it took so long for this trial to come to fruition in the first place..police weren't going to charge him...self defense. If it wasn't for the FBI and everything else, it may not have happened. No show of racism by Zimmerman in his past at all. Like I said, in fact, the FBI told Holder a civil rights case would fail because all the evidence and people they've talked to show to the contrary.
So you'd feel safer on the street with no protection, then locked inside your own, accessible house? What does street smarts have to do with anything? And, "adults" ? In a few months, TM would have *been* an "adult" by law, and was already quite confident in his own fighting abilities. If safety was his motivation, again, he would have been home long before. And, from his own home, it would have been a safe and smart place to call the police on his stalker from. SMH....
in my professional opinion, it became a race issue through social media. blogs, forums, sites and comment sections all decided to turn trayvon into a the stereotypical black villian. they used every stereotype that america has used against black men since the beginning of time. he was called the n word, violent, angry, they said he was dressed like a thug, posted pictures of him with gold teeth(i posted photos miley cyrus wearing the same grill) made meme's out of his corpse...it was very ugly, evil and there was no empathy. that's when people were like, damn, there is a huge problem with racism in ameria in 2013. the talking heads in the media picked up on it and spoke about it and for whatever reason, folks act like they didn't read or see all the stereotypical racist comments.
its a free country. i should be able to walk in the rain if i want. but i do understand that if i get shot in a struggle and die, then the person who lives gets to tell the story however they see fit. i just don't buy zimmermans story considering he's a wife beater, assaulted a police officer and is accused of molestation.
Thats funny, I feel all the same things about the media, social networking, memes, etc, but from the exact opposite angle.... that they have demonized Zimmerman as a racist while covering up every little tiny thing that doesn't fit into the "Saint Martin" narrative..... right down to the choice of pictures and covering up of his past transgressions that led him to his situation. *WOW*.
really? i feel like it was made out to be that zimmerman was the white racist vigilante while trayvon was the poor innocent kid buying skittles for his brother who was only killed because he was black?
the pictures that came out of martin's gold teeth, etc, came out in response to the fact that they kept portraying trayvon as the 12 year old in a hollister shirt
had trayvon been alive to tell his side, would you buy his story considering he was a drug user with a history of violence?
Again, taking what the media says and running with it. He was arrested for assault on a law enforcement officer and resisting arrest. It was IMMEDIATELY dropped to resisting arrest, and then dropped altogether. Trayvon was shown to be a drug dealer in evidence from his FB posts and tweets, and stolen goods were found in his locker. But you tend to think he was doing nothing at all, except buying his candy and Arizona and going home. So Zim is lying because he has a bad history, but Trayvon was innocent and did nothing wrong when he had just as bad of a history. Hmm...
witnesses didn't see the entire fight. i'm pretty sure they tusseled and exchanged top control several times. who they saw on top is moot.
i never got the white racist angle. i did get the white-hispanic over zealous watchen. i still gave him the benefit of the doubt up until i found out he was a wife beater, assaulted a cop and molested his cousin. at that point he lost all credibility with me.
had zimmerman been on top for any significant period of time, wouldn't martin have some other sort of bruising or noticeable injury?
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