Immortality.... your thoughts?

[johnsmith]

http://www.stillnessspeaks.com/ssblo...consciousness/

Yeah who are you kidding? You steal a few ideas from some enlightened liberal got potter and you pretend you understand epistemology. You're talking about religious experience, nothing else. It has nothing to do with epistemology.

Shocking that this concept was "borrowed" by SBM only to be bas ized and turned into gibberish on spurstalk.


Truly, truly shocking.

[DMC]

So you've never heard of Eckhart Tolle?

lol

[johnsmith]

Never heard of that guy - but he might have some good stuff - I might check it out - thanks!

On the other hand - these things are all over the scriptures - all over mystic teachings - all over history - for anyone that cares to see - I didn't ever claim to invent - I have said over and over that truth is there but people hate truth. People hate to see the truth even if the great mystics have been crying themselves hoarse with the truth for eons...

Do people buy your BS in real life, because on here, it doesn't appear to carry much weight.

[DMC]

Never heard of that guy - but he might have some good stuff - I might check it out - thanks!

On the other hand - these things are all over the scriptures - all over mystic teachings - all over history - for anyone that cares to see - I didn't ever claim to invent - I have said over and over that truth is there but people hate truth. People hate to see the truth even if the great mystics have been crying themselves hoarse with the truth for eons...

So you don't know,but you think that because you read some or attended some seminars that impressed you, regurgitating it here will serve as your evidence that what I said earlier was, as you put it "wrong".

Nothing like a self made guru I suppose.

[silverblk mystix]

Well, I've had the "birth of my child" moment and frankly, I can describe it quite well and feel as though my description of the event does it pretty good justice on the emotions of the evening.

I think I can do this so well because I'm intelligent enough to use the words that I've learned throughout my life to be able to put them in the correct order to form a coherent and thoughtful story...which is basically the opposite of what you do on this site when explaining your "words are bad" theory.

You are either a bigger fool than I thought or a great liar - because there is no way that your "words" and/or "description" equals the same thing as the reality.

Reality = is when it happened and you experienced it.

Your description is memory of that reality = NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE SAME THING!

But believe whatever you want.

[johnsmith]

You are either a bigger fool than I thought or a great liar - because there is no way that your "words" and/or "description" equals the same thing as the reality.

Reality = is when it happened and you experienced it.

Your description is memory of that reality = NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE SAME THING!

But believe whatever you want.

Wow....so telling the story is not the same as being there in real time? Holy that's deep.

Well, thanks for setting me straight...I'm going to go and gouge my eyes out now so I never agin read these stupid ing theories again.

[DMC]

You are either a bigger fool than I thought or a great liar - because there is no way that your "words" and/or "description" equals the same thing as the reality.

Reality = is when it happened and you experienced it.

Your description is memory of that reality = NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE SAME THING!

But believe whatever you want.

Concepts don't have to be exactly the same as their exterior manifestations, they are still real. If concepts aren't real, they don't exist therefore there's no such thing as a concept.

[silverblk mystix]

So you don't know,but you think that because you read some or attended some seminars that impressed you, regurgitating it here will serve as your evidence that what I said earlier was, as you put it "wrong".

Nothing like a self made guru I suppose.

So what we've learned is that;

To you - knowledge - is what you already concluded you knew - and don't let truth get in the way of your conclusions.

Wasting my time...

[DMC]

Wow....so telling the story is not the same as being there in real time? Holy that's deep.

Well, thanks for setting me straight...I'm going to go and gouge my eyes out now so I never agin read these stupid ing theories again.

If thine eye offends thee...

[silverblk mystix]

Concepts don't have to be exactly the same as their exterior manifestations, they are still real. If concepts aren't real, they don't exist therefore there's no such thing as a concept.

Not what you originally said - you said there is no difference between your concepts and reality.

I just showed you the error of your thinking and now you want to move the goalposts...lol/thread

[johnsmith]

Not what you originally said - you said there is no difference between your concepts and reality.

I just showed you the error of your thinking and now you want to move the goalposts...lol/thread

If someone agrees with you on this, do you promise to /thread?

If so, then I will agree with you everytime you try to "enlighten" people on this site.

Deal?

[DMC]

Maybe there is no separation between human beings and nature....


Maybe this separation only exists in human beings minds.

Why isn't that good enough? Why do you think that conceptualization doesn't equal reality? Maybe it does.

This is why I said maybe -

As far as a concept being equal to reality - it isn't. Humans make this fundamental mistake all the time. A concept can point you in the direction of reality - but - once you arrive - you have to go further - sort of like...

your car drives you to your house - but when you reach the door - you must dismount and enter your house....the car only took you so far.

So you want to get into a debate on epistemology? Can I drop a Bertrand Russell and a Kant here and there?

You do realize that your statement above is a tautology, right? You make a claim and support it with basically itself. An argument that begins with a logical fallacy isn't much of an argument at all.

What is knowledge? What's the difference between what you believe and what you know?

You gave no answers. Why even interject if you have nothing to offer?

What are you asking? You want me to show you how and why a concept is not reality?

I asked simple questions. Can you not see the "?" behind the questions?

1. What is knowledge?

2. How do you differentiate between knowledge and belief?

3. Do you think the term "nature" was invented by nature itself?

4. If you say "no" to 3, then you should accept that man invented the term, ergo separated himself from it by doing so.

??Yes , I agree...in his mind....man separated himself...so...this is still in the minds of humans - exactly as I said in the beginning.


I thought you were disagreeing with me that a concept - is not the same as reality - but it appears we are agreed.

You still didn't answer any of my questions and your formatting is not conducive to continued debate.

If a concept exists, it exists in reality. Ergo it cannot be separate from reality.

disagree...I will make time later to explain

This is how it went.

Who's moving goalposts now? You're the one who made the assertion

Maybe there is no separation between human beings and nature....
Maybe this separation only exists in human beings minds.

I asked you to show evidence of that, instead you dragged up this non-duality schtick.

[silverblk mystix]

If someone agrees with you on this, do you promise to /thread?

If so, then I will agree with you everytime you try to "enlighten" people on this site.

Deal?

Do what pleases you - read/don't read/learn/don't learn/make comments/continue being blind/

You can choose.

[johnsmith]

This is how it went.

Who's moving goalposts now? You're the one who made the assertion



I asked you to show evidence of that, instead you dragged up this non-duality schtick.

[silverblk mystix]

I kicked a 64 yarder - straight through the goalposts...awesome!!!!


No wait....the goalposts were now 75 yards away.... !

[johnsmith]

Do what pleases you - read/don't read/learn/don't learn/make comments/continue being blind/

You can choose.

Since I can't learn anything from you, what with you making no sense and coming off as dumb, I suppose I will continue to be blind....

And by that I of course mean, continue on with my meaningful life with my wife, kids, success, and happiness. But keep telling yourself that what you do is special.

[johnsmith]

I kicked a 64 yarder - straight through the goalposts...awesome!!!!


No wait....the goalposts were now 75 yards away.... !

He just lined out why you were wrong.

Your Avante shtick mixed with fake enlightenment is entertaining at least.

[silverblk mystix]

Since I can't learn anything from you, what with you making no sense and coming off as dumb, I suppose I will continue to be blind....

And by that I of course mean, continue on with my meaningful life with my wife, kids, success, and happiness. But keep telling yourself that what you do is special.

Do you mean the wife that DMC labels a "******" ....?

That sux...lol.

[silverblk mystix]

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[johnsmith]

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I literally have no idea what your talking about....but if you're trying to get under my skin that my wife is Hispanic, then have at it....no one makes fun of them quite as much as me.

[johnsmith]

I do find it funny that this is what you're left with at the end of the day....racist jokes.

The prison isn't very stimulating is it?

[silverblk mystix]

I do find it funny that this is what you're left with at the end of the day....racist jokes.

The prison isn't very stimulating is it?

So, you have never read any of the hundreds/thousands of times that DMC has labeled hispanics - b@aners...

Ok....


LOL trying to say - that I made the racist slur...

[silverblk mystix]

There's no reason to make an assumption either way. There's no test we're required to complete and turn in that's asking these questions. SBM (Some Be@ner Mexican) was suggesting that the mind is one with nature. I asked him if he wanted to back that up and he just blew if off with some generalities.

If someone wants to show evidence that the human mind is one with nature, I'm here to read it.

lol

[DMC]

My wife is Hispanic as well.

[johnsmith]

So, you have never read any of the hundreds/thousands of times that DMC has labeled hispanics - b@aners...

Ok....


LOL trying to say - that I made the racist slur...

Unlike you, I don't take this site serious enough to pay attention to who says what when it comes to racism, or dumb jokes....so if he has, I don't remember....nor do I care.

But yeah, the Internet is important to you...I understand.