NBA: Official poll: Replace Kobe with TMac, how many rings do TMac+Shaq win?

[Double-Up]

4 or 5. You could easily put Iverson in there too and they ring as well. Kobe is the most replaceable second banana of all time, tbh.

Iverson, nah ain't no way...T-Mac or prime VC yea, but not Iverson.

[DMC]

Jim choked and failed to win a ring with T Mac.

And like spurfan said, Shaq would win multiple rings with T Mac.

Shaq > Jim, fact is Shaq is the superior big man tbqh

Kobe failed to win a ring with Payton, Malone and Shaq.

Kobe failed to win a ring with Dwight Howard

Shaq won a ring with Wade before Kobe ever saw another Finals.

[DMC]

Iverson, nah ain't no way...T-Mac or prime VC yea, but not Iverson.

Iverson got to the Finals pretty much by himself... oh I forgot, and Eric ing Snow.

[Bynumite]

Kobe failed to win a ring with Payton, Malone and Shaq.

Can't argue with that.

Kobe failed to win a ring with Dwight Howard

I know spurfan likes to live in fantasy land and pretend they swept the Lakers with Kobe but we all know that was not the case. You can't fail to win a ring when you're injured and didn't play a single minute of playoffs.

Shaq won a ring with Wade before Kobe ever saw another Finals.

3 Finals and 2 rings without Shaq, 2>1PERIOD

Now go to bed senile old man.

[Bynumite]

the Same Kobe that never shot 47% , while needing four top 5 big men and put him in an era where hand checking is allowed? He'd shoot in the 30's if he was lucky.

Whatever you say man.

[Arnold Toht]

Kobe chased Shaq out of town and placed the er on a rocking chair. Just ask Thread. You'll never hear the end of it, and I love it.

[DMC]

Can't argue with that.



I know spurfan likes to live in fantasy land and pretend they swept the Lakers with Kobe but we all know that was not the case. You can't fail to win a ring when you're injured and didn't play a single minute of playoffs.

Pussies and assholes

3 Finals and 2 rings without Shaq, 2>1PERIOD

Now go to bed senile old man.

So going to the Finals counts now?

Shaq doesn't need that comparison, He won the 1st 3 for Kobe, so it's really 3>2 Shaq. I mean, Horry won rings without Kobe or Shaq, don't see you using him as a standard. That's because anyone who wasn't the alpha dog on the court doesn't count because they will NEVER be in the conversation. No one is comparing Steve Kerr's 5 rings to Duncan's 4.

[DMC]

Kobe chased Shaq out of town and placed the er on a rocking chair. Just ask Thread. You'll never hear the end of it, and I love it.

Rocking chair eh, you mean like how Shaq won a ring shortly after he left town? That rocking chair?

[DMC]

lol

Shaq
Malone
Payton
Pau Gasol
Dwight Howard
Steve Nash
Ron Artest

and Kobe only has 2 Finals MVPs

Lebron has 2 Finals MVPs

Wade
Bosh
Ray Allen
(crickets)

Tim has 3 Finals MVPs

David Robinson
(crickets)

[spurraider21]

Kobe rode Shaq's prime to 3 rings. Kobe was 26 years old when Shaq left, and Shaq was 32. It stands to reason that Kobe had more championship opportunities than Shaq after that point, especially after the gift. Imagine Shaq coattailed another great player for 3 when he was as young as Kobe was while he was riding Shaq's

[Arnold Toht]

Rocking chair eh, you mean like how Shaq won a ring shortly after he left town? That rocking chair?

Not immediately, but soon enough.

[Arnold Toht]

lol

Shaq
Malone
Payton
Pau Gasol
Dwight Howard
Steve Nash
Ron Artest

and Kobe only has 2 Finals MVPs

Lebron has 2 Finals MVPs

Wade
Bosh
Ray Allen
(crickets)

Tim has 3 Finals MVPs

David Robinson
(crickets)

So you're just going to arbitrarily place Allen, and Artest in there but you won't put Parker or Ginobili?

[Bynumite]

Kobe rode Shaq's prime to 3 rings. Kobe was 26 years old when Shaq left, and Shaq was 32. It stands to reason that Kobe had more championship opportunities than Shaq after that point, especially after the gift. Imagine Shaq coattailed another great player for 3 when he was as young as Kobe was while he was riding Shaq's

Really?

Shaq ring chased and coattailed half the NBA in an attempt to one up Kobe but in the end 5>4 prevailedPERIOD

[Arnold Toht]

Really?

Shaq ring chased and coattailed half the NBA in an attempt to one up Kobe but in the end 5>4 prevailedPERIOD

Daddy was scared less after Kobe rang in 09, so he went on to coattail LeBron. And then Kobe went up 5-4 on him the same season

[Bynumite]

David Robinson
(crickets)

Old man is definitely going senile. Alzheimer is hitting you hard i see.

Robinson
Manu
Parker (who Jim coattailed to ring number 4)
2x COTY winner (although Pop displays DMC levels of senility nowadays)

[DMC]

Old man is definitely going senile. Alzheimer is hitting you hard i see.

Robinson
Manu
Parker (who Jim coattailed to ring number 4)
2x COTY winner (although Pop displays DMC levels of senility nowadays)

Neither Parker nor Manu were even starters when they joined the team.

Let's not pretend having 4 HOFers is the same as having 2 guys who will one day be great players. No revisionist history.

[DMC]

Daddy was scared less after Kobe rang in 09, so he went on to coattail LeBron. And then Kobe went up 5-4 on him the same season

Ever consider getting your own schtick?

[Arnold Toht]

^ 2005? HOFer Manu's ing prime?

[Arnold Toht]

Ever consider getting your own schtick?

^ 4-time champion speaking

[spurraider21]

Really?

Shaq ring chased and coattailed half the NBA in an attempt to one up Kobe but in the end 5>4 prevailedPERIOD

not sure if you read anything i said

[Bynumite]

Neither Parker nor Manu were even starters when they joined the team.

Let's not pretend having 4 HOFers is the same as having 2 guys who will one day be great players. No revisionist history.

Manu was an all star in 05 and Parker in 07, that's ring 3 and 4 right there.

[DMC]

Manu was an all star in 05 and Parker in 07, that's ring 3 and 4 right there.

lol

[Bynumite]

not sure if you read anything i said

You said:

Kobe was 26 years old when Shaq left, and Shaq was 32. It stands to reason that Kobe had more championship opportunities than Shaq after that point.

Shaq played for 4 different teams after he left the Lakeshow, that's seems like a good amount of opportunities to ring chase tbh. Let's not forget the years Kobe spent playing alongside scrubs like Kwame, Smush, Walton etc.

[Bynumite]

lol

You and half the ing forum are desperately trying to convey the idea that unlike Kobe, Jim did it all by himself and carried a few scrubs that were nowhere near their primes when the spurs won 4 rings and that's not true.

[DMC]

You and half the ing forum are desperately trying to convey the idea that unlike Kobe, Jim did it all by himself and carried a few scrubs that were nowhere near their primes when the spurs won 4 rings and that's not true.