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    That's enough spanking for now... As always Kool is on point

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    "study in the current issue of the Journal of Patient Safety that says the numbers may be much higher — between 210,000 and 440,000 patients each year who go to the hospital for care suffer some type of preventable harm that contributes to their death, the study says.

    That would make medical errors the third-leading cause of death in America, behind heart disease, which is the first, and cancer, which is second."

    http://www.propublica.org/article/ho...n-us-hospitals



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    Ted Cruz Vows Filibuster To Defund Obamacare After House GOP Accuses Him Of Surrender

    Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) has vowed to filibuster any bill that would keep the government open past September 30 that does not include defunding Obamacare. But he also seems to be preparing the GOP base — one he’s spent months ginning up — for the realization that his effort to defund the law before the health care exchanges open is likely doomed.

    For months, Cruz has been promising the GOP a battle. Now he’s getting one — from House Republicans who have been pressured to go along with his gambit, and now find themselves forced to choose between pleasing the base and destroying what’s left of the GOP brand.


    The junior senator from Texas opened himself up to a torrent of attacks from Republican members of the House on Wednesday night when he released a statement that admitted the obvious: He doesn’t have the votes in the Senate to pass a bill that would defund Obamacare.


    “House agrees to send #CR to Senate that defunds Obamacare. @SenTedCruz & @SenMikeLee refuse to fight. Wave white flag and surrender,” Rep. Sean Duffy (R-WI) tweeted. Several of his colleagues also chimed in their disappointment with what they saw as giving up on stopping Obamacare.


    Cruz announced that he was willing to pursue a filibuster to stop the the Senate from stripping the House’s defunding proposal from the continuing resolution, hoping to assure his allies in the House who had adopted his hardline stance against the health care law.


    “I am prepared to use any and all procedural methods to stop Obamacare from being funded,” he told the AP’s Ken Thomas on Thursday. But he also noted later that his efforts probably won’t be enough to stop the law. ”I think it is likely that it will take another election for a full repeal,” he said.

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    Kock Bros through more $Ms

    Generation Opportunity, New Koch-Funded Front, Says Youth Are Better Off Uninsured

    For a new Koch-funded front group for young people, money for medical bills apparently grows on trees.

    Generation Opportunity, a nonprofit financed with $5.04 million from a fund controlled by the Koch brothers’ lobbying team, just launched a new television advertisement to kick off an anti-Obamacare campaign. The ads, which provides no actual information about healthcare reform and instead seem designed to scare people away from doctor visits, have already beendissected by many in the media. What’s more revealing is Generation Opportunity’s real agenda, which was explained to Yahoo News in a story unveiling the new campaign (emphasis added):

    Their message: You don’t have to sign up for Obamacare. “What we’re trying to communicate is, ‘No, you’re actually not required to buy health insurance,’” Generation Opportunity President Evan Feinberg told Yahoo News in an interview about the campaign. “You might have to pay a fine, but that’s going to be cheaper for you andbetter for you.”

    http://www.thenation.com/blog/176269...#axzz2fNUT5bc8



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    Where people stand on the Affordable Care Act is pretty much predetermined by who they voted for in the presidential election. I am now seeing the first hints of its implementation from the insurance carriers for 1/1 renewals.

    Three obvious takeaways:

    1. The ACA has mandated a massive change in the way carriers price, market and administer their products. Businesses (50 employees and under this year, all companies in '17) don't realize it yet, but their own administrative procedures are going to have to change significantly regarding their group health plans is just a few months.

    2. Older workers, and workers with larger families are going to get screwed. The ACA dictates the manner in which premiums are charged - and mandates NO UNDERWRITING factors EXCEPT age, tobacco use and geography. HHS then published a model rate factor table. In that a 64 year old pays exactly 3 times what a 25 year old pays - with the rate climbing every year between those two points. Until now, enrollment choices for employees were as follows: Employee Only, Employee & Spouse, Employee & Children or Employee and Entire Family. That was four premium choices for an employer to keep up with - the employer would decide how much of each tier he/she would contribute, and the employee would be left to pay the difference....NOW to calculate coverage, the employer or employee must go to the base rate (the rate for a 25 year old), multiply it by the factor for THEIR age, do the same for their spouse, then the same for their adult (over 20) aged children, then the same for up to three children under 20 (rate is capped at three children under 21). Considering there are now 40 different employee rates, and employees will all have different aged children and spouses.....this is going to make bill auditing and reconciliation very bersome. (of course we have developed a system to automate all this - PM me for details) From the employer's point of view, they always knew, in theory, that older employees cost more to insure; now it is going to be reinforced in color every single month. Composite rating protected the aging - the ACA exposes them - choosing between two employees, one 32 and one 54? Just got that much easier.....

    3. Despite its name, the ACA is not getting a handle on cost. All of the renewals we have seen thus far include net premium increases along with some (subtle and not so subtle) benefit decreases. Where the tire meets the road, the ACA, ultimately is an exercise is doing SOMETHING, but not doing anything productive.

    I said it at the time, and I now know it to be true, a opportunity to actually do something to get our runaway healthcare costs under control was wasted. If anything, the ACA probably exacerbates many of the existing issues, without addressing the elephant in the living room: ACTUAL COSTS FROM DOCTORS AND HOSPITALS!!! The politicians focused all of their attention on who was paying the bills. I guess it never occurred to them to look at the people printing them...
    A 64 year old is getting a windfall if he is only paying 3 times as much considering he on average will use more than 3 times as much health care.

    I agree on the source of costs though.

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    51% Favor Government Shutdown Until Congress Cuts Health Care Funding

    Tuesday, September 17, 2013

    President Obama yesterday criticized congressional Republicans for insisting on spending cuts in any budget deal that continues government operations past October 1, saying they risk "economic chaos." Most voters agree a federal government shutdown would be bad for the economy, but they're willing to risk one until Democrats and Republicans in Congress agree on ways to cut the budget, including cuts in funding for the new national health care law.....

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...h_care_funding

    We must do everything to defund this ish thing called 0bamacare.

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    rasmussen? Repugs in-house propaganda poller? boob, you're so ing stupid, an all-star representin the right wing
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    I guess to someone like you who's never had a non-socialist thought in his entire life, I would appear stupid. I bet your parents are proud of their little commie.

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    I say shut the government down. And lets see who gets blamed. Might even drive Obama and Mooc e nuts since they couldn't take AF1 on a ride to some expensive destination getaway. All the pols in D.C. are a bunch of gutless wonders anyhow. Democrats and Republicans, just a few like Cruz have any balls.
    Them with their pictures of the starving Americans. Good Lord, what a bunch of losers. But I am sure there will be a big splash in the SA Express News in the morning about starving babies.

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    Where people stand on the Affordable Care Act is pretty much predetermined by who they voted for in the presidential election. I am now seeing the first hints of its implementation from the insurance carriers for 1/1 renewals.

    Three obvious takeaways:

    1. The ACA has mandated a massive change in the way carriers price, market and administer their products. Businesses (50 employees and under this year, all companies in '17) don't realize it yet, but their own administrative procedures are going to have to change significantly regarding their group health plans is just a few months.

    2. Older workers, and workers with larger families are going to get screwed. The ACA dictates the manner in which premiums are charged - and mandates NO UNDERWRITING factors EXCEPT age, tobacco use and geography. HHS then published a model rate factor table. In that a 64 year old pays exactly 3 times what a 25 year old pays - with the rate climbing every year between those two points. Until now, enrollment choices for employees were as follows: Employee Only, Employee & Spouse, Employee & Children or Employee and Entire Family. That was four premium choices for an employer to keep up with - the employer would decide how much of each tier he/she would contribute, and the employee would be left to pay the difference....NOW to calculate coverage, the employer or employee must go to the base rate (the rate for a 25 year old), multiply it by the factor for THEIR age, do the same for their spouse, then the same for their adult (over 20) aged children, then the same for up to three children under 20 (rate is capped at three children under 21). Considering there are now 40 different employee rates, and employees will all have different aged children and spouses.....this is going to make bill auditing and reconciliation very bersome. (of course we have developed a system to automate all this - PM me for details) From the employer's point of view, they always knew, in theory, that older employees cost more to insure; now it is going to be reinforced in color every single month. Composite rating protected the aging - the ACA exposes them - choosing between two employees, one 32 and one 54? Just got that much easier.....

    3. Despite its name, the ACA is not getting a handle on cost. All of the renewals we have seen thus far include net premium increases along with some (subtle and not so subtle) benefit decreases. Where the tire meets the road, the ACA, ultimately is an exercise is doing SOMETHING, but not doing anything productive.

    I said it at the time, and I now know it to be true, a opportunity to actually do something to get our runaway healthcare costs under control was wasted. If anything, the ACA probably exacerbates many of the existing issues, without addressing the elephant in the living room: ACTUAL COSTS FROM DOCTORS AND HOSPITALS!!! The politicians focused all of their attention on who was paying the bills. I guess it never occurred to them to look at the people printing them...
    Pretty much what we discussed when the law was passed.

    However, this whole bravado thing has little to do with Barrycare or the government going bankrupt. It's one big political parade between red team vs blue team, who has "big balls", etc, etc etc...

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    51% Favor Government Shutdown Until Congress Cuts Health Care Funding

    Tuesday, September 17, 2013

    President Obama yesterday criticized congressional Republicans for insisting on spending cuts in any budget deal that continues government operations past October 1, saying they risk "economic chaos." Most voters agree a federal government shutdown would be bad for the economy, but they're willing to risk one until Democrats and Republicans in Congress agree on ways to cut the budget, including cuts in funding for the new national health care law.....

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...h_care_funding

    We must do everything to defund this ish thing called 0bamacare.
    Didn't Romney run on a platform that the Election was a referendum on the ACA?

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    Ted Cruz Infuriates House GOP By Conceding Defeat On Obamacare Repeal

    House Republicans are fuming at Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) for conceding that the party's efforts to repeal Obamacare aren't going anywhere in the Senate -- and leaving the House to keep fighting over it anyway
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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3950901.html

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    McLiar's 08 campaign mgr, Schmit?, said it looks like the Repugs are gonna do this, it will fail in the Senate, and then they let crazy rookie Cruz take the rap, go down in flames.

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    Remember how sequestration would bring the government to its knees?

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    Remember how sequestration would bring the government to its knees?
    I didn;t hear that, but sequestration has hurt a lot of people and programs.

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    I didn;t hear that, but sequestration has hurt a lot of people and programs.
    0bamacare is going to hurt a lot of people and programs:

    Cleveland Clinic announces job cuts to prepare for Obamacare

    By Kim Palmer
    CLEVELAND | Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:23pm EDT

    (Reuters) - The world-renowned Cleveland Clinic said on Wednesday it would cut jobs and slash five to six percent of its $6 billion annual budget to prepare for President Barack Obama's health reforms.

    The clinic, which has treated celebrities and world leaders such as musician Lou Reed, former Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi and former Olympic gold medal skater Scott Hamilton, did not say how many of its 44,000 employees would be laid off. But a spokeswoman said that $330 million would be cut from its annual budget.

    "Some of the initiatives include offering early retirement to 3,000 eligible employees, reducing operational costs, stricter review of filling vacant positions, and lastly workforce reductions," said Eileen Sheil, Executive Director of Corporate Communications for the Cleveland Clinic Foundation.

    The clinic is Cleveland's largest employer and the second largest in Ohio after Wal-Mart. It is the largest provider in Ohio of Medicaid health coverage for the poor, the program that will expand to cover uninsured Americans under Obamacare.

    "We know we are going to be reimbursed less," under Medicaid, Sheil said.

    Cleveland Clinic has almost 100 locations around Ohio employing 3,000 doctors. Its main campus is world renowned for cancer and cardiovascular treatment.

    "To prepare for healthcare reform, Cleveland Clinic is transforming the way care is delivered to patients," Sheil said without elaborating.

    The clinic's Lerner Research Ins ute had a total annual research expenditure of $255 million in 2012 and recently announced breakthroughs in creating a breast cancer vaccine, drugs to treat Alzheimer's patients and research into the genetic mutations in prostate cancer.

    A 2009 study by the clinic concluded that it accounts for nearly eight percent of the economic output of northeast Ohio.

    A key part of Obamacare, officially known as the Affordable Care Act, goes into effect on October 1, when states are supposed to begin offering Americans health insurance options through online exchanges to compare prices.

    (Reporting by Kim Palmer; Editing by Greg McCune, Mary Wisniewski and Andre Grenon)


    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...98H14V20130918



    You 0bamacare clowns are going to be pulling your hair out defending this worthless pile of .

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    0bamacare is going to hurt a lot of people and programs:

    Cleveland Clinic announces job cuts to prepare for Obamacare

    By Kim Palmer
    CLEVELAND | Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:23pm EDT

    (Reuters) - The world-renowned Cleveland Clinic said on Wednesday it would cut jobs and slash five to six percent of its $6 billion annual budget to prepare for President Barack Obama's health reforms.

    The clinic, which has treated celebrities and world leaders such as musician Lou Reed, former Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi and former Olympic gold medal skater Scott Hamilton, did not say how many of its 44,000 employees would be laid off. But a spokeswoman said that $330 million would be cut from its annual budget.

    "Some of the initiatives include offering early retirement to 3,000 eligible employees, reducing operational costs, stricter review of filling vacant positions, and lastly workforce reductions," said Eileen Sheil, Executive Director of Corporate Communications for the Cleveland Clinic Foundation.

    The clinic is Cleveland's largest employer and the second largest in Ohio after Wal-Mart. It is the largest provider in Ohio of Medicaid health coverage for the poor, the program that will expand to cover uninsured Americans under Obamacare.

    "We know we are going to be reimbursed less," under Medicaid, Sheil said.

    Cleveland Clinic has almost 100 locations around Ohio employing 3,000 doctors. Its main campus is world renowned for cancer and cardiovascular treatment.

    "To prepare for healthcare reform, Cleveland Clinic is transforming the way care is delivered to patients," Sheil said without elaborating.

    The clinic's Lerner Research Ins ute had a total annual research expenditure of $255 million in 2012 and recently announced breakthroughs in creating a breast cancer vaccine, drugs to treat Alzheimer's patients and research into the genetic mutations in prostate cancer.

    A 2009 study by the clinic concluded that it accounts for nearly eight percent of the economic output of northeast Ohio.

    A key part of Obamacare, officially known as the Affordable Care Act, goes into effect on October 1, when states are supposed to begin offering Americans health insurance options through online exchanges to compare prices.

    (Reporting by Kim Palmer; Editing by Greg McCune, Mary Wisniewski and Andre Grenon)


    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...98H14V20130918



    You 0bamacare clowns are going to be pulling your hair out defending this worthless pile of .
    Ohio is one of the "Repug kamikaze" states that has refused to accept federal funds to expand Medicaid. Same story in TX, where hospitals and clinics are going to be badly hurt by kamikaze Repugs' ideology of "hate Fed govt, no matter how we over the poor bubbas, blacks, browns".

    once again boob, you prove how ing ignorant you are of what's really resulting from Repugs' anti-governance, anti-99% ideology.

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    And Obamacare is his crowning achievement. Smh

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    And Obamacare is his crowning achievement. Smh
    no question about that, and THAT's exactly why the Repugs are sabotaging Obamacare wherever and however they can.

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    Ohio is one of the "Repug kamikaze" states that has refused to accept federal funds to expand Medicaid. Same story in TX, where hospitals and clinics are going to be badly hurt by kamikaze Repugs' ideology of "hate Fed govt, no matter how we over the poor bubbas, blacks, browns".

    once again boob, you prove how ing ignorant you are of what's really resulting from Repugs' anti-governance, anti-99% ideology.
    "Repugs this, Repugs that, blah blah blah." Nobody's buying your bull bag.

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    House just voted to defund, and Rep. Peter King has this to say:

    Republican Rep. Peter King said Friday that his Republican colleague in the Senate, Ted Cruz, "is a fraud" who will "no longer have any influence in the Republican Party" after the House votes on a measure that could potentially lead to a government shutdown.
    Suicide missions are fun!

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...uz-is-a-fraud/

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    "Repugs this, Repugs that, blah blah blah." Nobody's buying your bull bag.
    it ain't bull , google "states rejecting medicaid expansion"

    btw, nasty Repug-governed PA just reversed itself to accept medicaid expansion.

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    Yep old Peter King and Chuckie Schumer, they just don't like anyone to steal their thunder and time before the camera. One unforgivable sin in D.C. steal media time for someone else, when you are used to making all the pronouncements. Like these two fine gentlemen.

    The low life, Harry, Obama's main man in the Senate, will be out to mealy mouth the bill and pronounce it dead.

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    The low life, Harry, Obama's main man in the Senate, will be out to mealy mouth the bill and pronounce it dead.
    He doesn't need to pronounce it dead, it's already dead and it was dead the moment it was drafted (just like all the other times they've voted to defund/repeal Obamacare). This is a waste of time to cater to morons like you.

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