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No. Now he's glommed onto to the tea bag's next tactic, which was really part of the plan the whole time.
You remind me of the guy who didn't answer the question. i would have to know more about the compromise before declaring a winner.
No. Now he's glommed onto to the tea bag's next tactic, which was really part of the plan the whole time.
Jon Stewart Eviscerates Cruz and Republicans on Anti-Obamacare Crusade
http://www.alternet.org/video/jon-st...tter901319&t=5
Exactomundo.
John McCain Defends Obamacare, Slams Ted Cruz For Comparing Implementation To Nazi Appeasement
McCAIN: I’d remind my colleagues that, in the 2012 election, Obamacare, as it’s called — and I’ll be more polite, the ACA — was a subject that was a major issue in the campaign. I campaigned all over America for two months, everywhere I could. And in every single campaign rally I said “we had to repeal and replace Obamacare.” Well, the people spoke. They spoke, much to my dismay, but they spoke and they re-elected the President of the United States. No that doesn’t mean that we give up our efforts to try to replace and repair Obamacare. But it does mean elections have consequences and those elections were clear, in a significant majority, that the majority of the American people supported the President of the US and renewed his stewardship of this country.
I don’t like it, it’s not something that I wanted the outcome to be. But I think all of us should respect the outcome of elections, which reflects the will of the people.
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013...nds-obamacare/
There still my be a molecule or two of democracy in McLiar's decrepit body.
Desperately, Cruz, tea baggers, Repugs, right-wing hate media are spewing all kinds of lies about ACA. Only the dumb s in their choir are believing the lies, as usual.
The Next Campaign To Paint Obamacare As A Failure
Next week, as uninsured Americans begin signing up for coverage in the Affordable Care Act’s health care marketplaces, Republicans will seize on the trickle of early beneficiaries and technical glitches to paint the measure as a failure. But administration officials tasked with implementing President Obama’s signature domestic policy accomplishment are anticipating these attacks and are confident they will win the public debate and meet their enrollment targets over the long term.
On Tuesday, the nation’s 48 million uninsured will be able to log on to Healthcare.gov, dial a federal hotline, or visit a community “navigator” and begin enrolling in health care coverage through the law’s state-based exchanges to receive coverage next year. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that 7 million enrollees will participate in the marketplaces in 2014; 9 million will sign up for Medicaid. By 2023, the exchanges will hold 24 million people and the law’s Medicaid expansion will accompany another 13 million.
But health care experts caution that enrollment may prove to be more of a marathon than a sprint and will work best in states that are actively helping uninsured people sign up for coverage.
“It just takes time,” Stan Dorn, a Senior Fellow at the Urban Ins ute’s Health Policy Center, says, pointing to the nation’s experience in encouraging people to sing up for the Children’s Health Insurance Program, a bipartisan Clinton-era initiative that primarily provides health insurance to children in families with incomes too high to qualify for Medicaid. Enacted into law in August of 1997, the plan began enrolling children in 1998, but initially fell short of enrollment goals.
Four years later, the Congressional Research Service issued a disappointing report noting that just 60 percent of eligible kids were enrolled in the program. Today, 87 percent of eligible children have coverage in CHIP or Medicaid.
“It’s like any other human activity, it takes time to figure out how to do it right,” Dorn remarks. “I think it’s far more realistic to expect [from Obamacare] what we saw with CHIP, which is a 5 to 6 year ramp-up and that’s in the states that want the program to work,” he explains. “In the states that are fighting tooth and nail, it will be a much slower trajectory.”
To meet enrollment targets, the federal government and its state partners will have to build what Dorn describes as a three-legged stool: grow public awareness about the law and what’s in it, perfect and simplify enrollment procedures, and ensure that uninsured families have help in applying for coverage. A certain percentage of the uninsured who are eager to take advantage of health care benefits will sign up for coverage in the early days of open enrollment, while the majority will likely wait until immediately before the enrollment period closes at the end of March.
That’s what happened in Medicare Part D, President George W. Bush’s program extending prescription drug coverage to the Medicare population. More than half of the beneficiaries who ended up signing up for insurance didn’t do so until after the first of the year and enrolled despite the Bush administration’s well-publicized initial glitches in extending coverage to low-income beneficiaries. Whereas only 21 percent of seniors had a favorable impression of the law and 66 percent didn’t know what was in it in April of 2005, by November of 2006, “half of the seniors polled said the program was working well or that just minor changes were needed.”
The experience isn’t exactly analogous to the Affordable Care Act, a new stand-alone program that will have to reach individuals who are not already connected to the health care system and may be jaded by GOP efforts to dissuade them from obtaining coverage, but it does include lessons for federal and state officials implementing reform.
“Go in with an expectation that there will be glitches,” says Jack Hoadley, a Research Professor at Georgetown University’s Health Policy Ins ute who co-wrote a report examining what lessons Part D holds for the new health insurance marketplaces. But “if you’re prepared for that possibility you can go in and fix most if not all of the glitches, soften the ones that you can’t completely fix, and get passed them and move on.”
Administration officials say they’ve learned from the Bush administration’s failures. “It’s not accident that there is a 6-month open enrollment period that is because of the experience of everyone looking back and saying one month was too short,” a senior administration official explains. “We also have the obvious lessons of Part D, trying to make sure we have communication with people…we train our trainers… making sure we have partners who are trusted partners in communities who know how the law works is critical because in Part D there was a lot of concern about whether or not some of the local advocates really understood the law and we worked very hard in trying to address that this time around.”
“We’re not saying we fail if we don’t get one of these [target enrollment] numbers, we’re really just trying to take this as, you know, recognize that we need to ramp up.”
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013...rollment-slow/
The earlier programs mentioned above didn't have the Repugs, ALEC, Kock Bros, Fox, etc, etc, actively lying about them, blowing $10Ms sabotaging them at every step, etc, etc as we see now with ACA.
The thought of a 1 year delay in the implementation of 0bamacare is slowly becoming a reality to you because I get the sense your head is about to explode.
your sense is wrong, along with all the other between your ears
My senses are never wrong,..... except when I thought the Senate was going to overturn 0bamacare of course, but hey, that was in the past, and we're not here to talk about the past.
Seeing as they didn't do it, doesn't seem to be a problem. Let me know if they do.
Gohmert: ‘Amnesty’ and Obamacare are a plot for ‘firing every fulltime American’
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/09/2...time-american/
Sidekick McCain: If Obamacare succeeds, Hillary will be president
GRAHAM: Hillary Clinton decided today to own Obamacare, so in 2016, when this thing falls apart and the economy's in shambles because of Obamacare, I'm going to hereafter call it Clintoncare. She made a huge mistake today.VAN
SUSTEREN: And let's say that it's a huge success.
GRAHAM: Then she will win.
VAN SUSTEREN: In 2016?
GRAHAM: Yes. If it's a huge success, Hillary Clinton will win the presidency. If it's the failure I think it's going to be, then she needs to own the result of embracing this bill.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/0...l-be-president
No surprise, the Repugs sabotaging ACA is all about 2014 and 2016, All Smash Mouth Politics, All The Time, no matter how many citizens get hurt, no matter how much PROGRESS gets blocked.
Senate GOP's Cons uents Are Confused About Obamacare Vote
Two other Senate Republican offices confirmed to TPM that they had been fielding calls from confused cons uents. National Review Online's Roberta Costa reported that a harsh response from the base had reduced administrative assistants in two Senate GOP offices to tears.
One Senate GOP aide told TPM that the reaction was split between anger and mere confusion. "Bit of both," the aide said.
It's easy to see where the confusion came from. The unanimous vote came roughly 60 minutes after Cruz had held the Senate floor for 21 hours, decrying Obamacare and urging his party to support a procedural move to block Senate Democrats from restoring funding for the law.
But Wednesday's vote was on the motion to begin debating the spending bill. There will be another vote to close debate on the bill in the coming days. That's the one that Cruz said he wants Senate Republicans to oppose unless they get their way on defunding Obamacare.
That's why Cruz, Mike Lee (R-UT), Marco Rubio (R-FL) and others voted in favor of Wednesday's motion. But it seems that the procedural machinations weren't clear to some of their cons uents.
As another Senate Republican aide told TPM earlier this week: "Rule No. 1 in communications is if you are explaining, you are losing."
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/sena...obamacare-vote
Mainstream Republicans in worse shape than Ted Cruz
By Jonathan Bernstein, Published: September 24 at 4:00 pm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...than-ted-cruz/But the truth is that Cruz’s faux-libuster — not actually a filibuster at all, but just a pointless speech in support of a losing strategy that will do exactly zero about the issue — perfectly typifies the GOP position on health care.
The truth is that it’s totally legitimate to bring up problems with health care reform on a budget bill, and use it to pressure the White House to make changes to improve the system. Republican cons uents really are complaining about problems with the Affordable Care Act, which like every government program ever won’t be perfect.
But Republican politicians aren’t (contrary to what Cruz says) listening to those cons uents. They’re not preparing fixes for real problems with Obamacare; indeed, they’re mostly trying to undermine the program.
And while Cruz is very easy to mock (and yeah, I’ve been on twitter this afternoon doing it too) as a demagogue who is out for the fundraising and his presidential campaign, but as I argued over the weekend, a large part of why he is successful is because the would-be reasonable politicians in the party have largely given up on policy. The reason that Cruz’s phony shutdown threat has everyone’s attention, and that the House went along, is because there was no Republican alternative that might have actually improved — at least from their point of view — the legislation.
Republicans and conservatives have been quick to bash Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, and the others who have pushed this “defund” strategy. And rightly so: it’s a recipe for Republican disaster. But unless there’s some alternative — a real one, that would really make the insurance market run better and would yield better results for those cons uents who are complaining to them — then the Cruz strategy is really all they have. And that makes mainstream Republicans really in worse shape than Ted Cruz.
Green eggs and ham....
http://www.juanitajean.com/2013/09/2...r-reads-aloud/
Barack I am
The Prez, in fact
…That Barack I am the Prez, in fact,
…I do not like the Prez, in fact!
Do you like the healthcare act?
…I do not like the healthcare act!
…I do not like the Prez, in fact!
Would you like it Later? Or Now?
…I would not like it later or now,
…I would not like it anyhow!
…I do not like the healthcare act!
…I do not like the Prez, in fact!
Would you like some hope and change?
Would you like a health exchange?
…I would not like some hope and change.
…I would not like a health exchange.
Would you like to help resist
Expensive ills that pre-exist?
…Screw pre-exist and health exchange
…And screw you Prez, your name is strange.
…I would not like it later or now,
…I would not like it anyhow!
…I do not like the healthcare act!
…I do not like the Prez, in fact!
Your kids! Your kids! How ‘bout for kicks
We cover them ‘til they’re twenty-six?
…I really do not give two licks
…About kids under twenty-six.
…And if they get Kerfuffle Flu
…Let them pay up like I do!
Preventive care will be for free
You will like that, you will see!
…No communist preventive care
…Or any free kids anywhere.
…Screw pre-exist and health exchange
…And screw you Prez, your name is strange.
…I would not like it later or now,
…I would not like it anyhow!
…I do not like the healthcare act!
…I do not like the Prez, in fact!
On this can we all agree:
personal responsibility?
…All this responsibility
…Is fine for others, not for me.
Think of all the money lost!
Wouldn’t you want lower cost?
…Responsibility and low cost
…Are socialist! Prez, you get lost!
…No communist preventive care
…Or any free kids anywhere.
…Screw pre-exist and health exchange
…And screw you Prez, your name is strange.
…I would not like it later or now,
…I would not like it anyhow!
…I do not like the healthcare act!
…I do not like the Prez, in fact!
You don’t have to yawp or yelp
The Prez is only trying to help.
Try it, try it, just to see
How good the healthcare act can be!
…I’ll never try the healthcare act
…Cause if folks try it, it’s a fact
…That they will like low costs you see
…And folks’ responsibility
…And the free preventive care
…Will help the people everywhere
…And children under twenty-six
…And illnesses that pre-exist
…Are covered and the biggest change
…The cost-effective health exchange
…They will like it now, and then
…Will never vote for me again.
…SO
…I DO NOT LIKE THE HEALTHCARE ACT
…Because YOU are the Prez, in fact.
I got a good chuckle imagining you reciting that with Barack's half in your mouth.
Rachel just said THERE WILL BE A GOVT SHUTDOWN, simply because the obstacles are so numerous, the path to avoiding a shutdown so narrow, there's no way it's done by Monday midnight.
And y'all tea bag suckers' hero Cruz just wasted a critical day, very very probably assured a govt shutdown.
Rachel, the dude wannabe.
House GOP Debt Ceiling Offer To Include Pro-Wall Street Provisions, Health Care Cuts
House Republicans plan to demand major perks for coal companies and Wall Street banks, alongside healthcare and social service cuts and a one-year delay in the implementation of Obamacare, in exchange for raising the debt ceiling until the end of 2014, according to a source close to the House GOP leadership.
President Barack Obama and congressional Democrats have repeatedly stated that they will not negotiate over raising the debt limit, saying they will not make a political football of the U.S. government's creditworthiness.
The Republican plan, which would also cons ute a significant overhaul of the environmental and financial regulatory system, would cut pensions for Federal employees and raise taxes on immigrant families with parents who do not have a Social Security number. The do ent claims $7 billion in savings from restricting the child tax credit to immigrants who do have a number, and up to $84 billion from "reform" to the Federal Employee Retirement System.
The plan would increase Medicare means testing, and would eliminate social service block grants and a fund for preventative healthcare in the Affordable Care Act that conservatives have characterized as a "slush fund." Block grants are a capped en lement program given to states to help fund services like daycare, transportation and home-delivered meals. The Prevention and Public Health Fund has included funds for training primary care doctors and supporting healthy corner stores.
Coal and oil companies would benefit from provisions to expand offshore drilling and drilling on federal lands. The proposal blocks the federal government from regulating greenhouse gas emissions and coal ash, and would give Congress the power to veto any "major" regulation issued by a federal agency (because an affirmative vote would be required, Congress could void new rules simply through inaction).
In addition, the do ent claims $23 billion in budget savings from a provision to "Eliminate Dodd-Frank Bailout Fund." The money, however, is not legally permitted to support collapsing banks. Dodd-Frank established the fund to allow regulators to pay some creditors of large banks when they fail, in order to prevent a domino of failures akin to what occurred in 2008 when Lehman Brothers filed for bankruptcy. Absent the fund, the government would have no effective way of limiting the economic damage from a bank's failure, increasing the likelihood that a bailout would be necessary.
A total of 91 Republicans, including House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and current Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.), voted for the 2008 bank bailout.
Wall Street banks would benefit from an item that gives Congress the authority to slash funding for the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau -- a signature achievement of the 2010 Dodd-Frank financial reform law. The CFPB is funded through the Federal Reserve, which currently prevents Congress from weighing in on its budget requests. The do ent claims $5 billion in "budget savings" from a CFPB overhaul; and because the CFPB's annual budget is currently about $450 million, to achieve that figure, the agency would have to be entirely defunded.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3988783.html
We'll see if Obama folds on his will-not-be-extorted-with-debt-ceiling stance.
I would add the requirement that government workers accept the same 0bamacare provisions that are being crammed down our throats. Watch them scream just as loud as the unions are.
nobody's cramming anything down anywhere.
govt employees ALREADY have health insurance, dumb .
ACA excludes all employees already with health insurance, UNCHANGED.
Here's the unions situation:
"At issue are the collectively bargained, multi-employer insurance plans that more than 15 million unionized workers access under the Taft-Hartley Act. Those plans currently allow workers like builders and electricians to change jobs among participating employers and stay in the same health-insurance plan. Because many of the jobs involve manual labor, the plans usually account for injuries and repe ive stresses, benefits that unions say their workers sought instead of higher wages.
But this could change. Under the Affordable Care Act, small companies could choose to stop covering workers through the union agreements and send their workers to the state-based exchanges instead. Through these exchanges, workers would pay lower premiums, thanks to federal government subsidies. But labor leaders fear that the workers who retain union plans will end up paying higher premiums, since there will be fewer people in the plans, and coverage could be less generous. No one knows for sure that this is how it will play out—companies could very well decide to continue in the union plans and keep the status quo—but unions are predicting the worst."
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...-care-act.html
the structural problem for the unions and America is that the for-profit insured pools can be too small to have reasonable premiums, even if the for-profit gouging insurers agreed.
with a hard-core, univeral public insurance option/single payer, the insured pool is the entire country of 300M+.
Can't you read dip ? I said the SAME provisions that are being forced on us. What government workers have now are Cadillac plans that they NEVER want to give up. Private companies that offer health plans now are shedding them faster than you can say "Bouton Loves Lenin" and forcing workers into soon to open 0bamacare Exchanges. Soon, State and Federal workers will be the only ones with quality health care plans. They'll be part of the "elite" class that we saw in former communist countries. You're a government worker, aren't you? Come on, fess up.
"What government workers have now are Cadillac plans that they NEVER want to give up"
lots of private sector workers also have excellent palns, so what's your ing gripe, other than that you hate and want to destroy all things govt?
not for long
The more companies that drop employer group plans, the better prospect for a govt public health insurance/single payer to be seen as attractive by more Ms of people.
The perversion of employers running health plans goes back to WWII and SFO Bay Area shipyards trying to attract scarce workers.
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