Yes he did.
And he's never once healed an amputee.
I would only agree if you replaced the words "negative and positive" with something like "evil and good", because I have a different more scientific definition of positive and negative energies that have nothing whatsoever to do with moralistic notions, rather they are just definitions , or types, not moral classifications.
All praise to Mithras!
I'm comfortable with my faith and let others do as they wish.
So am I, Joe.
Everything I wrote was not meant for others to do as I say, or do as I did.
It was just a tiny bit of where I am coming from, of how my beliefs were shaped, and of the continual path I am on.
Nothing more, nothing less.
- Levon wears his war wound like a crown
- He calls his child Jesus 'cause he likes the name
- And he sends him to the finest school in town.
- Levon, Levon likes his money
- He makes a lot they say
- Spend his days counting
- In a garage by the motorway
- He was born a pauper
- To a pawn on a Christmas day
- When the New York Times
- Said God is dead and war's begun
- Alvin Tostig has a son today
- And he shall be Levon
- And he shall be a good man
- And he shall be Levon
- In tradition with the family plan
- And he shall be Levon
- And he shall be a good man
- He shall be Levon.
Blake I simply asked yall to read the list of verses I put and tell me who you think they are talking about. What's confusing about that? If we let others do as they wish doesn't really show we love them does it? xmas just because you share the Gospel with someone does it mean you're judging them? You said in another post you don't discredit the words of Jesus. So when Jesus says to spread His Gospel you don't think you need to do it? It wasn't some book, it was God Himself. When Jesus said those who don't follow His commands do not love Him and are not of Him isn't He saying not everyone is of God? He in fact says they are of their father the Devil.
Thanks, for clarifying the judging issue. Didn't mean to sound accusatory.
My feeling on spreading His Gospel is a little broader than just reading scripture to people, rather it is more to showing by example of His actions being echoed by mine, and hopefully by others, kind of what all you fellows are doing in this thread.
Discussions of the subject are always welcome.
Words tend to fall short compared to concrete actions IMHO. But I see you agree with that assessment, or at least I think you do.
They say when two or more get together and discuss God, that is equivalent of praying and thus a church.
That was my only criticism of this thread, that it seemed like people were arguing to gain some sort of superior feeling rather than sharing what each of you (and me now too) have been fortunate enough to have been revealed to us either through study, experience, intuition, revelation, or any combination of those.
That should be done in a spirit of love, and not a battle of egos or wills in order to sit on some high and smug seat of superiority.
I am not accusing you nor any one of you of doing this, but the overall tone seemed to gravitate away from love as soon as the ridicule began. Then it became some sort of a contest instead of a sharing.
Thanks again.
Okay, I'll share some gospel. Why not.
The Gospel of Matthew
Chapter 1
1:1 The Gospel of Matthew starts off with a massive, boring genealogy of Jesus, you know, the kind of genealogy we’re specifically told to ignore in 1 Timothy 1:4 and us 3:9.
1:6 So, here we get to David’s entry in Jesus’ genealogy. There are 28 generations listed from David to Jesus in Matthew’s Gospel, while Luke’s Gospel lists 43. Except for David on one end and Jesus on the other, the two lists together only share three of the same names.
1:18 We read this stupid genealogy all the way down to Joseph, and then it says Joseph was espoused to Mary who had been impregnated by the Holy Ghost. Wait, so what was the whole point of that genealogy? Jesus isn’t related to Joseph. Jesus isn’t related to King David. Jesus isn’t related to one single person in that genealogy. That genealogy is meaningless. What a waste of my ing time.
1:23 So then the prophecy from Is. 7:14 is referenced as being fulfilled, the prophecy that “a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel”. Well, you were spot on there, head. Not only that, but the prophecy in Isiah is about a young woman, not specifically a virgin, who lived at the time the prophecy was made and is long dead at this point.
1:24-25 Just a fun tidbit for those who believed that Mary was virgin her entire life. Even if by some stretch of the imagination she was actually impregnated by the Holy Ghost and didn’t make the whole thing up because becoming pregnant by Joseph before being espoused was greatly looked down upon in their society, verses 24-25 confirm that she at least lost her virginity relatively quickly after Jesus’ birth.
Chapter 2
2:2 The three wise men arrive at Jesus’ birthplace, saying they know the King of Jews has just being born there because they have seen his star in the east. However, there are five sections in the Bible that specifically condemn astronomy such as this as an abomination unto the lord.
2:5-6 King Herod’s priests and scribes say that Jesus’ birth has fulfilled the Bethlehem prophecy. So, Bethlehem Ephratah in Micah 5:2, which is the original wording before Matthew altered it to better fit the situation, doesn’t refer to the to the town of Bethlehem or any location at all, it’s referring to the clan of Bethlehem, specifically the son of Caleb’s second wife Ephratah. And this prophecy does not refer to a Messiah, but to a military leader who was destined to defeat the Assyrians. Jesus was a little too busy just walking around and telling stories to go on any military escapades, and he isn’t Caleb’s second wife’s son so the prophecy probably isn’t about him. Just saying.
2:9 If the star went before the three wise men and lead them to Bethlehem, it couldn’t really be considered astronomy because that does not describe any star or astronomical event ever. However, Matthew did not know that, back then stars were just thought of as little arrows of light a short distance from Earth. It wouldn’t be an issue to realistically say one had moved around and hovered in an area. People were real stupid back then.
2:14 An angel comes to visit Joseph and tells him to flee to Egypt because King Herod wants to kill Jesus. So he goes. But Luke reckons they went straight to Nazareth and didn’t make any pit stops in Egypt.
2:15 So at this point I realise that Matthew is an absolute ing ****. More bull prophecies. He says that Jesus’ stay in Egypt until Herod’s death fulfilled the prophecy “Out of Egypt I have called my son”. The original prophecy before Matthew butchered it to fit the situation, was not a ing prophecy at all. From Hosea 11:1, When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt. This refers to the exodus of the Jews from Egypt and has nothing to do with Jesus at all. you Matthew.
2:16 So then, Herod gets pissed because Jesus escapes and everyone is mocking him, so he kills every child in Bethlehem two years old and younger. Surely a massacre of this level and criteria for killing would have been significant enough to be recorded by historians other than this bull artist Matthew. Apparently not. Josephus do ented Herod’s life in detail and didn’t mention this. He must have forgotten.
2:17 Now Matthew uses a passage from Jeremiah 31:15 to claim the massacre had fulfilled a prophecy, however if you read the next couple of verses it becomes clear to anyone who is not completely ing re ed that that passage refers to the Babylonians, and once again, has absolutely nothing to do with anything Matthew is talking about.
2:23 Bull prophecy number 5. But unlike the others, have no idea where this comes from.
Chapter 3
3:10-12 So we’re dealing with John the Baptist now, and at this point he is telling people that like trees who bear bad fruit are cut down and burned, so too will people who bear bad fruit. Okay...
3:14-15 I like John the Baptist. I don’t really have to look for the irregularities and absurdities myself when he just, like, says them out loud for me. And he is right. Why the would John the Baptist baptise Jesus, when Jesus is the sinless Son of God. Do you understand the sacrament of Baptism at all? It is to forgive original sin, show repentance and to begin initiation into the church, all of which would be a waste of time on Jesus. And then Jesus says ‘it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness’. Now what the does that mean. Seriously. I have no idea.
Chapter 4
4:2 So now Jesus is out in the desert playing footsies with the Satan, and he happens to fast for forty days and forty nights. Yeah. That’s a full fast of no food or water. In extreme cases, humans can survive without food for 35-40 days if they are properly hydrated. But Jesus is out in the ing desert, with no fluids. Not properly hydrated. Bull .
4:8 The devil kidnaps Jesus and takes him up to the top of an “exceedingly” high mountain. Okay, sure, and they can see all the kingdoms of the world from up there, because, I’m not sure if you’re aware or not, but the earth is actually flat, and you can indeed see it all at the tip of an exceedingly high mountain.
4:9 And now the devil is offering Jesus all the kingdoms of the world if Jesus worships him. Well Jesus, you should take him up on that offer. If you have the choice between the devil, who owns everything in the world, and God, who... uh.. yeah..., you should definitely give the devil a chance.
Chapter 5
5:17 Jesus is pretty much famous now, and is telling everyone how much he loves the Old Testament, which is inclusive of all the cruel and unusual conduct and punishments, countless cases of rape, incest, torture and plagues. ing cool, Jesus, I knew you were the man-God for me.
5:18-19 Jesus says the Old Testament rules apply to everyone forever, so I guess at this point we should pretty much kill everyone we know, because I completely guarantee you that every single person you know will have at some point in their lives broken an Old Testament rule that is punishable by death. All uncir cised males, dead. All children who have argued with their parents, dead. Anyone who has worked on a Sunday, or made fire on a Sunday, dead. Etc etc etc so on and so forth you get the idea.
5:22 Jesus tells everyone that if you call somebody a fool, you are in serious danger of going to . Jesus calls his critics fools regularly. Paul likes calling people fools too.
5:28 Jesus says if a man looks at a woman with lust, or vice versa, they have committed adultery, which is yet another Old Testament crime punishable by death.
5:29-30 Jesus suggests a good way to avoid committing adultery or sins in general is to gouge out your eyes and cut off your hands, because you’ll be better off that way. That’s a little cultish Jesus, I’m liking you more and more by the verse.
5:34-37 Jesus forbids the taking of any oath. I guess that whole courtroom bull with your hand on the bible thing is even more offensive than a regular oath.
5:40 Jesus offers a little pearl of wisdom in that if you are ever sued and brought before a court, don’t defend yourself. That’s just not cool.
5:44 So now Jesus is getting a bit ahead of himself and telling everyone to love their enemies, which is a bit rich coming from a dude who condemns his enemies to . Calm down superstar.
Chapter 6
6:1-3 Okay, now I’m ing confused. In Matthew 5:16 Jesus tells everyone to let everyone else see their good deeds, and now, in the next chapter, still on the same incoherent rant, you’re not meant to let anyone else see your good deeds. Seriously, even if anyone wanted to follow this they wouldn’t physically be able to.
6:5-6 Don’t pray in public. Churches and religious schools and world youth day have a lot of to answer for.
The rest of six is the ‘Our Father’ prayer, and there is so much wrong with this I don’t even want to go into it.
Chapter 7
7:7-8 Jesus is still talking , this time telling everyone to just ask for whatever you want and you will get it. ing stupid. If that were true Ray Allen would have dropped dead right before making that shot.
7:12 Jesus declares the golden rule of treating others how you would like to be treated. Sure, that nice. But then he says that it is a summary of the laws and prophets, those found in the Old Testament. Jesus has clearly never ing read the Old Testament if that’s what he got out of it.
7:13-14 Jesus says most people will go to , but doesn’t really seem to care too much.
7:21 Jesus says that just be calling on his name, a person will not be saved. Peter and Paul mustn’t have been listening that day because after Jesus died they were telling people that would work for years, kind of awkward.
Chapter 8
8:5-13 So, Jesus has finally come down from the mountain, and a centurion has asked him to heal his sick slave. Jesus likes the sound of that. This would have been the perfect moment for Jesus to condemn slavery, but I guess Jesus likes that sound of that too, and does nothing of the sort. This section is argued as Jesus accepting sexuality, the centurion-slave relationship gives off a gay vibe, and for all the ridiculous conclusions that theology scholars come to from interpreting the words of a drunken bull artist in terms of Matthew, Jesus accepting sexuality is not that radical / absurd. The centurion and the slave were a gay couple, and Jesus did not give one .
8:14-15 So now Jesus is touching people’s hands, instantly healing them. Cool.
8:24-26 So now Jesus and his disciples are boating in the middle of a storm and the disciples are too scared and useless to do anything so they wake of Jesus. He stops the storm. Okay.
8:32-34 Some devils ask Jesus to put them into a herd of pigs. Jesus sees nothing wrong with this and it results in the pigs running off a cliff and drowning. The whole town comes out and tells Jesus that it’s been really nice and all, but I think it’s time you and your groupies ed off.
Chapter 9
9:2-6 A man is paralysed, and because paralysis is clearly a matter of sinfulness and not brain damage or damage to the spinal cord, Jesus is able to cure him simply by forgiving him his sins, a power which only God is supposed to have.
9:13 Jesus isn’t into the whole animal sacrifice thing so he doesn’t do it, even though it is in the law.
9:18-22 Now Jesus is resurrecting dead children, and explaining that sin is the root of all death/illness. Not bacteria / cancer.
9:24 Everybody thinks a maid is dead, but Jesus thinks she is just sleeping. Then he wakes her up. It’s a miracle.
9:27-29 Blindness is caused by a lack of faith. Jesus heals blind people.
9:32-33 People who cannot speak are possessed by the devil, a devil, devils, the plurality of devils in this book keeps ing changing and I don’t know what’s what. Jesus heals possessed people.
9:35 Finally Matthew decides to cut down on all the boring stories of healing, and just says that Jesus went to every city and every town and healed every sick person in existence. Great work Jesus.
Chapter 10
10:1 Now Jesus has given his followers the ability to perform exorcisms and heal all sicknesses and disease, once again a non-delegable power that only God can possess. Surely all the sick people have been healed now. Maybe Jesus should focus more on preventing that factors that lead to illnesses to cause an overall decrease in illness across the population, but then he wouldn’t get to wow people with his amazing healing abilities.
10:14-15 Jesus says anyone who politely declines to be preached at by him or his followers will have a pretty painful eternity.
10:29-31 God is responsible for the death of every sparrow.
Chapter 11
11.3 John the Baptist is still sceptical about whether or not Jesus is the real deal. Considering he’s the dude who baptised him and apparently witnessed a bunch of supernatural immediately after the baptism, it’s pretty concerning that he of all people is still questionable on the issue.
11.11 Jesus goes on a rant about John the Baptist being the greatest man to ever exist – because it always helps to try to flatter your detractors back onto your side. It’s also not very subtle, but apparently that doesn’t matter.
11:21-24 So, Jesus goes to preach in some cities, but they’re not really interested in hearing his bull , so he condemns them to painful deaths and eternity in per par. On judgement day, it will be better to be a sexual man who practices anal sex with other sexual men than it will to be a citizens of one of these cities that had better things to do than listen to incoherent and illogical ranting for a week. Vintage Jesus.
11:25 Jesus thanks God for not letting wise and prudent people believe this . Yeah, this must be some divine act of God that semi-intelligent people are able to spot hole after hole and flaw after flaw in this bull .
Chapter 12
12:1-5 So now Jesus and his disciples are going to town on a corn field, but man, it’s the Sabbath. Everyone’s all like “what the are you es doing” but then Jesus chimes in with an Old Testament law that priests were allowed to do so. Of course, this is nowhere to be found in the Old Testament.
etc etc etc so on and so forth you get the idea
I think that went well.
Nothing confusing. Just doubt anyone is going to do homework here. You simply need to make your claim and back it up.
And yeah, I think if you're going to be a true Christian, you can't pick and choose which commands/principles you want to live by. If you do, then you really don't believe God/Jesus is all knowing/all powerful.
Great job, Gee!
I love your sense of humor, the sarcasm and irony mixed.
Thank you for your sermon this morning, definitely lots to think about and laugh over.
Blake, were you referring to my pick and choose statement?
I'm referring to your sentiment of cherry picking the good parts of the Bible and disregarding the ugly parts.
Guess it makes little sense, huh?
In the other thread you say you are closest to agnostic. I'll keep that in mind.
Ok, I really do not cherry pick the Bible so much as I cherry pick the faith I most closely identify with, Catholicism which is just one of the Christian faiths, "cafeteria" is my humorous approach to it.
If I do any cherry picking of the Bible it is with the inconsistencies that are there, but the basic teachings are pretty much consistent. I believe the actual truth lies somewhere in between. In my studies I have found that one needs to approach the Bible with an open mind. I think this is true of all of life, as macrocosm reflects microcosm and vice versa.
My leaning toward metaphysics shows me that there is much beneath the surface, thus what is literal to one person, is very vague to another, it just depends on their perspective and how much they have been taught, but most of all how much they are willing to explore in order to get to the root of things.
Because when you start doing that (some call that "seeking the truth", while others have a more simplistic view of "seeking"), you begin to see profound reasons for why a certain scripture says one thing only to be contradicted a little later, or in another scripture. What is actually occurring on an esoteric level is a spurring of one to question and explore deeper.
Why the truth isn't just blatantly obvious rather than hidden I think is because of what was going on during those times with the persecutions and all. Plus the deeper truths in the wrong hands could be devastating.
What difference does my belief system make?
Guess it makes little sense, huh?
In the other thread you say you are closest to agnostic. I'll keep that in mind.
How so?Plus the deeper truths in the wrong hands could be devastating.
Posting more fairy tale quotes like it means anything. Here let me try:
“Far over the misty mountains cold
To dungeons deep and caverns old
We must away ere break of day
To seek the pale enchanted gold.
The dwarves of yore made mighty spells,
While hammers fell like ringing bells
In places deep, where dark things sleep,
In hollow halls beneath the fells.
For ancient king and elvish lord
There many a gleaming golden hoard
They shaped and wrought, and light they caught
To hide in gems on hilt of sword.
On silver necklaces they strung
The flowering stars, on crowns they hung
The dragon-fire, in twisted wire
They meshed the light of moon and sun.
Far over the misty mountains cold
To dungeons deep and caverns old
We must away, ere break of day,
To claim our long-forgotten gold.
Goblets they carved there for themselves
And harps of gold; where no man delves
There lay they long, and many a song
Was sung unheard by men or elves.
The pines were roaring on the height,
The wind was moaning in the night.
The fire was red, it flaming spread;
The trees like torches blazed with light.
The bells were ringing in the dale
And men looked up with faces pale;
The dragon's ire more fierce than fire
Laid low their towers and houses frail.
The mountain smoked beneath the moon;
The dwarves, they heard the tramp of doom.
They fled their hall to dying fall
Beneath his feet, beneath the moon.
Far over the misty mountains grim
To dungeons deep and caverns dim
We must away, ere break of day,
To win our harps and gold from him!”
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Hobbit
Thanks for quoting JR Lee a great Christian author who was the one that lead CS Lewis to Christ. Chronicles of Narnia and Lord of the rings series are great Christian book series. I agree with blake a Christian shouldn't cherry pick. Xmas theres no inconsistencies you just need to stydy further to iron out the supposed inconsistencies. Blake I did have a point to make but doesnt work till someone tells me who they think the list of verses I put are about. A non Christian needs to do that and its pretty clear once u read them
All your questions in the verses u put Blake have been answered by Christians so if u really want the answers u can find them thats why I hold to there are no contradictions or errors. Just dont expect to find ur answers in the skeptics annotated bible a stupid place to look if ur seeking truth tbh
Oh sorry that post was from gee so yea the answers r out there
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And the bottom line is..........
Leave it to Mouse. Only you could find something like that!
Okay well the discussion is slowing down and I'm glad cause I was thinking of bowing out anyways my wife says I'm investing too much time here. Any how the point I was trying to make is that any non-believer can read the list of verses I posted and probably just after reading a couple come to the conclusion that they are all describing the life and death of Jesus Christ...that list is non-conclusive by the way there's over 300 prophesies He fulfilled! So the miraculous thing about those verses is that most people will think they're from NT cause of their accuracy but they're actually from OT...about 400 years pre-Christ! So if the Bible was human in origin how could these things have been written? And on that note I may or may not return. For clarification on all those apparent contradictions just Google and use a Christian website this time...I like equip.org; carm.org; gotquestions.org but there's so many others.
Jesus is the friend of those who accept Him as Lord and Savior only. If u wanna post videos I prefer: http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=...81691ED2EF7630
or
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=...7259C62C69F169
Just something to think about but this summer my granddad was diagnosed with cancer and quickly started the chemo treatments. His wife, my grandmother, died 13 years ago after they'd been married for 40 happy years. Tuesday of this week would have been her birthday, and he had to do chemo on that day but before he started the doctors checked his white blood cell counts and then told him the cancer was gone. Now, I'm not saying that crazy coincidence was the work of God, but the two of them were in church every week. They raised my mother that way and she raised me that way (although I can say basically every time I went to church was because I was forced to go and since I've been out of the house I haven't gone back because it's essentially a self-imposed guilt trip and that). So, I'm sure everyone in my family thinks God did this for him and I won't say anything to try to take that away.
Actually true Christians do just that. Otherwise they'd be Jews. The entire NT is a set of exceptions to the OT, using a more user friendly god. Also, the OT spanned thousands of years while the NT was about one person only. The term "Christian" means the believer has already violated a commandment: "Thou shalt have no other god before me". Christians are worshipers of Christ, not of God. They refer to God but worship Jesus.
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