Is there a Bible/ New Testament expert in the house?

[Blake]

And you are free to believe that. I lose nothing by believing in Him other than being unable to rape and pillage as I see fit. But oh well.

that and you're stuck with your wife forever.

Unless that whole rant about Timmy sinning by getting a divorce was more contradictory bull from you.

[Skull-1]

Yeah, I didn't really think any prophecies came true.

You are living proof of one. "Constantine's Bible" (LMFAO) is the other.

[Skull-1]

that and you're stuck with your wife forever.

Unless that whole rant about Timmy sinning by getting a divorce was more contradictory bull from you.

That's right. But I am not stuck forever. Only until one of us dies, and I have some badass Meskins that can make sure it isn't me that dies first. LOL

[Blake]

I see that. However, neither God nor my mind require science to prove He is real (that the scripture is true). I have enough evidence in the spiritual truths that I have been shown and that's enough for me. I will agree with you that there is not god as depicted in the Bible. But the God of the scriptures is a different being than the one of the supers ious, man-made, traditional, pagan-themed church. That being said, there are many things that exist that nobody has proof of--as yet. They are still there. I simply consider God to be one of them (and again, my proof doesn't rely on man).

Still waiting for you to answer what your eternal reward will be. In your opinion.

[DMC]

And you are free to believe that. I lose nothing by believing in Him other than being unable to rape and pillage as I see fit. But oh well.

Your takes are explained away in the link I posted.

Morality isn't God or bust. We can have social morals without needing to attribute them to a god. In fact, the OT gives you the right to rape and pillage as God commands.

The rest of your post is called Pascal's Wager (nothing to lose). It's easily defeated by showing that living a lie is losing your entire life.

[Skull-1]

Still waiting for you to answer what your eternal reward will be. In your opinion.

Still waiting for you to acknowledge you got your ass kicked on the colors of the robe.

[Skull-1]

Your takes are explained away in the link I posted.

Morality isn't God or bust. We can have social morals without needing to attribute them to a god. In fact, the OT gives you the right to rape and pillage as God commands.

The rest of your post is called Pascal's Wager (nothing to lose). It's easily defeated by showing that living a lie is losing your entire life.

I was obviously joking, brah. Sheesh. (And the OT is a parable, so it gives no such right.) My life is unaffected. Perhaps belief restrains me from doing things that would be to my detriment, thereby saving my life.

[DMC]

I was obviously joking, brah. Sheesh. (And the OT is a parable, so it gives no such right.) My life is unaffected. Perhaps belief restrains me from doing things that would be to my detriment, thereby saving my life.

If you need to believe in an untruth to protect yourself, it's just the placebo I mentioned.

[Skull-1]

If you need to believe in an untruth to protect yourself, it's just the placebo I mentioned.

So, for example, cheating on your wife being a bad thing is an untruth just because one uses religious faith to reinforce it? Or remaining loyal to someone who betrays you even when it hurts because you gave your word--that's an untruth just because it comes from a religious faith? *whistles*

[Blake]

That's right. But I am not stuck forever. Only until one of us dies, and I have some badass Meskins that can make sure it isn't me that dies first. LOL

lol murder is funny

[Blake]

Still waiting for you to acknowledge you got your ass kicked on the colors of the robe.

Why would I do that when nothing has changed. It's either a contradiction or an error.

Either way, just that one flub nullifies the entire Bible as being the divinely inspired word of God.

[Blake]

And why do you your pants when I ask what your opinion on the afterlife is?

[DMC]

So, for example, cheating on your wife being a bad thing is an untruth just because one uses religious faith to reinforce it? Or remaining loyal to someone who betrays you even when it hurts because you gave your word--that's an untruth just because it comes from a religious faith? *whistles*

You use the term "cheating", so you automatically make sex while married a bad thing. If you take a vow to another person to be faithful to them, breaking that vow says a lot about you. It's not punishable by death. Should it be? It's no bigger a sin than murder. There are marriages that are open, and they have sex with other people. Is that cheating if both people accepted that from the start? That's the problem with a binary system like yours, there's no genuine room for gradient.

You seem to believe that being a good person requires belief in a god, as if the belief in the god is the only thing keeping you from being an out of control psychopathic killer. I say that out of control people who rely on god belief to maintain some form of self control are not good examples of rational minds so having them tell me that a god exists, when they only believe it because it's a mental placebo for them, is fruitless. I am not out of control, so I don't require a mental placebo or imaginary watchdog.

Drug addict turned Jesus addict, alcoholic wife beater turned devout Christian zealot. Either way, on the fringe and either way several standard deviations from the target mentality of rationality.

[Skull-1]

Why would I do that when nothing has changed. It's either a contradiction or an error.

Either way, just that one flub nullifies the entire Bible as being the divinely inspired word of God.

It is neither. As for the rest, that's your carnal opinion--which is nullified by the truth of the Scriptures.

[Skull-1]

You use the term "cheating", so you automatically make sex while married a bad thing. If you take a vow to another person to be faithful to them, breaking that vow says a lot about you. It's not punishable by death. Should it be? It's no bigger a sin than murder. There are marriages that are open, and they have sex with other people. Is that cheating if both people accepted that from the start? That's the problem with a binary system like yours, there's no genuine room for gradient.

You seem to believe that being a good person requires belief in a god, as if the belief in the god is the only thing keeping you from being an out of control psychopathic killer. I say that out of control people who rely on god belief to maintain some form of self control are not good examples of rational minds so having them tell me that a god exists, when they only believe it because it's a mental placebo for them, is fruitless. I am not out of control, so I don't require a mental placebo or imaginary watchdog.

Drug addict turned Jesus addict, alcoholic wife beater turned devout Christian zealot. Either way, on the fringe and either way several standard deviations from the target mentality of rationality.

Never said that belief in God is all that keeps someone from being a nut. I simply countered your contention that an honorable belief is wrong or bad or untrue because of where it comes from. If one vows to be faithful to their partner then they should keep their word. How that word is kept (belief or just awareness of what one has promised) matters not, so long as it is. Then again, things like forgiveness and mercy are also tenants of the scriptures that are not bad just because they stem from, or are anchored by, a belief in Christ.

[Skull-1]

And why do you your pants when I ask what your opinion on the afterlife is?

Flake, nothing you could ever do or say would cause that to happen. I simply do not feel you are worth the effort. Besides, you are a bible expert so you already know. I have beaten you to a pulp on the little things but like a punch clown you keep popping back up, repeating the same tired lies as before. Going onto another topic would be doubling down on futility and I have better things to do (like finishing my gorgeous P-40B in 1/48 scale that I have been away from for a few months).

[DMC]

Never said that belief in God is all that keeps someone from being a nut.

You insinuated it plenty of times already. Also, not only is criminal behavior not exclusive to atheists, it's not even choosy about god belief. God belief falls more along the lines of education levels, and criminality often does as well due to income levels being on par with education levels. Ergo, the more ignorant the mind, the more likely it is to accept irrational suggestions as true without question, and the more likely it is to commit a crime.

I simply countered your contention that an honorable belief is wrong or bad or untrue because of where it comes from.

It's not that the morality that's in question. Murder wasn't acceptable prior to Moses' epiphany. It's the claim that a god exists. All the flowers and frill and pomp and cir stance surrounding the deity isn't in question. What's in question is the existence of the deity. The morality exists, it's not a divine edict, it's a social development that's changed even in our lifetimes.

If one vows to be faithful to their partner then they should keep their word. How that word is kept (belief or just awareness of what one has promised) matters not, so long as it is. Then again, things like forgiveness and mercy are also tenants of the scriptures that are not bad just because they stem from, or are anchored by, a belief in Christ.

They weren't created by the scriptures nor by Jesus. Those tenets are paramount to the survival of a societal race of people. There doesn't need to be a divine edict for them to be beneficial. However, how beneficial is it to not work on Sunday? Do you abide by that commandment? If not, why? Is it also a metaphor?

[Blake]

It is neither. As for the rest, that's your carnal opinion--which is nullified by the truth of the Scriptures.

It's very very clearly one or the other. Either a clerical error or conflicting witness testimony. It immediately makes the Bible unreliable.

[DMC]

It's very very clearly one or the other. Either a clerical error or conflicting witness testimony. It immediately makes the Bible unreliable.

Only in the aspect that it's the infallible word of an infallible god, which many Christians present it as being.

[Blake]

Flake, nothing you could ever do or say would cause that to happen. I simply do not feel you are worth the effort. Besides, you are a bible expert so you already know. I have beaten you to a pulp on the little things but like a punch clown you keep popping back up, repeating the same tired lies as before. Going onto another topic would be doubling down on futility and I have better things to do (like finishing my gorgeous P-40B in 1/48 scale that I have been away from for a few months).

That was a lot of effort to tell me I'm not worth the effort.

[mouse]

[Blake]

Only in the aspect that it's the infallible word of an infallible god, which many Christians present it as being.

II Timothy says all scripture is God breathed.

The only way out of that is to go full skull and make up your own definition of scripture.

[Skull-1]

It's very very clearly one or the other. Either a clerical error or conflicting witness testimony. It immediately makes the Bible unreliable.

So you say. I have already explained a dozen ways that it would NOT be conflicting. However, that said, it wouldn't matter because the spiritual aspect is unchanged. Try to keep up, dummy. I know it is hard, but try. Also, clerical errors veil the truth of God. As prophesied.

[Skull-1]

You insinuated it plenty of times already. Also, not only is criminal behavior not exclusive to atheists, it's not even choosy about god belief. God belief falls more along the lines of education levels, and criminality often does as well due to income levels being on par with education levels. Ergo, the more ignorant the mind, the more likely it is to accept irrational suggestions as true without question, and the more likely it is to commit a crime.

It's not that the morality that's in question. Murder wasn't acceptable prior to Moses' epiphany. It's the claim that a god exists. All the flowers and frill and pomp and cir stance surrounding the deity isn't in question. What's in question is the existence of the deity. The morality exists, it's not a divine edict, it's a social development that's changed even in our lifetimes.

They weren't created by the scriptures nor by Jesus. Those tenets are paramount to the survival of a societal race of people. There doesn't need to be a divine edict for them to be beneficial. However, how beneficial is it to not work on Sunday? Do you abide by that commandment? If not, why? Is it also a metaphor?

I do not abide by that "commandment" because it was never a commandment (how better to HONOR the Sabbath than to help someone in need? INDEED!). Jesus most certainly nullified it if it were, in any event. It is a metaphor for the carnal person vs the spiritual. For the child of satan vs the child of God. For the bad tree vs the good tree. For living by the "letter of the law" vs doing what is right. I don't debate your other points really. Obviously education is everything. I don't do what is right other than I was taught. But what I was taught had limits and the rest I learned through the Scriptures (and a few things from Scouting and the Marines). My family would think I was nuts to stand by my spouse after adultery and divorce and running off with someone else, but I gave my word so that is what I would/will do. That's not going to be found in humanism anywhere. That is only found in the Gospel. (If I didn't address other points forgive me. Win7 won't recognize ENTER in this forum, so everything is one paragraph which is impossible for you to read without bashing your head on the monitor screen, sorry sorry sorry..)

[Skull-1]

II Timothy says all scripture is God breathed.

The only way out of that is to go full skull and make up your own definition of scripture.

God breathed, yet it was hidden by the Catholic Church for centuries.....and is veiled constantly by bad translations.... OBVIOUSLY God is going to get His way, be it through tripping up small-minded men like flake and lumpy face over a color or some "Constantinian Conspiracy" to screw everyone up. I have posted the scriptures.... Go back and read idiot.