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    Meaning you have the proper translation for comparison?

    Useless hodgepodge of generic statements.

    No one made that argument. On a cold day, it could serve as decent kindling material.

    So you're an observer and need to sit it out since you feel intimidated by it. I addressed the "mystery" claim already. It's false.

    That's a lot of belief statements without answering the question.

    Your claim is baseless. It's just rhetoric unless you can offer some evidence to support it. You might as well say we live in the asshole of a celestial dragon.

    No need to try and prove the unprovable. You didn't make any "mystery" claim false - you merely stated your opinion based on your logic.

    Logic is great and useful blah-blah

    It just does not apply to a mystery that has gone unsolved for thousands or millions of years.

    Didn't make a claim - I clearly stated that it was my opinion. It appears pretty clear to me based on my experience/knowledge/insights/- but I admit - it is one man's opinion.

    The mis-translation of the bible - seems pretty obvious but you are free to disagree.

    My "opinion" is based on the fact that a book that was "maybe" intended to be a clue to arrive at love/god/reality -

    is the cause of untold misery, suffering, wars, deaths for as long as can be remembered.

    This gives me the "opinion" that humans are completely missing the point.

    Either way - this will be argued until the day humans finally wipe each other off the planet - since this is all that we have done and will continue to do.

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    Universal paradox.

    You are free to choose, but you are not free from the consequence of your choice.

    That is one typical universal paradox.
    However, the condition of free will plus forgiveness undoes the paradoxical nature of it IMHO.
    That's not a paradox. Do you have any idea what a paradox is?
    According to taolifestudio.com it is a universal paradox.

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    The things you mentioned are only conceptual paradoxes. Don't make an assertion then have to scramble for evidence. What makes them a paradox is that they have self contradictions, meaning they cannot be true.

    Prophecy is the true telling of the future.

    That negates free will.

    If God can give revelations of the future, then the future is predetermined.
    How does your logic lead from "revelations to the future" to "the future is predetermined"?
    All you can really conclude from the first half is just that, that they are revelations to the future.
    To go from there to it means that it is predetermined in some way is stretching IMHO because that premise doesn't necessarily follow the first premiss.
    However for the sake of clarity let's say it does, then in that case it would indeed be a paradox.
    But even if it were, that still would not supersede His gift to us of free will, nor would it supersede His gift of forgiveness.
    And with both at play IMHO it would definitely not trump both together. Simply because He gave it to us, not the other way around, thus He can do any damn thing He wants to do because He made everything, and thus set the rules for everything.

    I do not expect you to agree with any of this reasoning because it has a principal in it that you do not believe in, namely God, but I can respect your opinion anyway.



    That makes the coexistence of free will and prophecy (not prophesy, which is a verb) a paradox.

    Try to focus on that aspect, since that's where the subject went before you came in with your derailment.

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    How does your logic lead from "revelations to the future" to "the future is predetermined"?
    All you can really conclude from the first half is just that, that they are revelations to the future.
    To go from there to it means that it is predetermined in some way is stretching IMHO because that premise doesn't necessarily follow the first premiss.
    However for the sake of clarity let's say it does, then in that case it would indeed be a paradox.
    But even if it were, that still would not supersede His gift to us of free will, nor would it supersede His gift of forgiveness.
    And with both at play IMHO it would definitely not trump both together. Simply because He gave it to us, not the other way around, thus He can do any damn thing He wants to do because He made everything, and thus set the rules for everything.

    I do not expect you to agree with any of this reasoning because it has a principal in it that you do not believe in, namely God, but I can respect your opinion anyway.
    Wow

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    According to taolifestudio.com it is a universal paradox.
    idiot

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    You asked for a universal paradox, I found you one.
    What more do you want, egg in your beer?

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    Sbm said there were paradoxes in the universe and in life. Realizing that's just gibberish from someone who think they are enlightened, I challenged him to provide a paradox that exists in the universe. He couldn't. Instead, you come along and call something a paradox that isn't a paradox and pretend that satisfies the claim.

    Is that how you operate all the time? If so, I can understand why people call you names.

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    How does your logic lead from "revelations to the future" to "the future is predetermined"?
    If Peter doesn't deny Jesus three times before the crows, then Jesus is a liar.

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    ....another thing...their is not that much chance in the world to say that the human body just evolved to have that much balance...and harmonious function..brain, heart, liver, kidneys, blood, venous system, reproductive system, eyes, ears, tongue, etc...and the animals have their own but similar structure...
    It isn't chance. Sorry, evolution is not random, and it fully explains why animals have their own but similar structure.

    The biological diversity that we see today is all rather phylogenically organized for the simple reason that evolution happened. Any given specific creation would not be so constrained. Indeed, if some creator really wanted to make it obvious that is what happened, would probably not have grouped things quite so neatly and plainly.

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    prove it...just as with everything...some things literal, some figurative, some parables just like in the new testament...some anecdotes some personifications....you're fighting a losing battle on this one
    I do admit we appear to be asking for a rational argument from you, and that *is* a losing battle. :P

    The logical problem with claimign that humans can't know what is moral and need a God to tell them what is moral, is that you are now claiming that we need to determine for ourselves what is literal and what is figurative in some written account of morality.

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    He created (key word) the universe...he didn't just snap his fingers and it appeared even though he could have...creation takes time...so too with wars he could cause someone to just die instantly but he "allowed" his people to do their work.
    He didn't allow, he ordered the slaughter, and rewarded it.

    A) Morals Come from God
    B) Humans cannot know what is moral
    c) God uses the bible to tell us what is moral
    D) The bible must be interepreted according to humans
    E) Humans interpret what is moral

    You don't see the logical contradiction in that?

    If God decides what is moral, then what is moral can change tomorrow.
    If God communicates what is moral and moral is something outside his control, then why use the bible at all?


    Aside from the fact that you have to be a total chicken when it comes to answering blindingly obvious moral questions, it is just a wee bit logically inconsistant.

    If you believe you need God to tell you what is moral, and you have presented the chicken argument that is the case, then you would simply take up a sword and hack to death childen to "save" them.

    Presumedly, that would include my wicked children, if God told you do so.

    You cowardly sick , you better stay away from my kids.

    The wads who crashed planes filled with civilians into office buildings on 9-11 thought God was telling them that it was moral to kill as well.

    Thinking for yourself is the ONLY real moral system.

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    It isn't chance. Sorry, evolution is not random, and it fully explains why animals have their own but similar structure.

    The biological diversity that we see today is all rather phylogenically organized for the simple reason that evolution happened. Any given specific creation would not be so constrained. Indeed, if some creator really wanted to make it obvious that is what happened, would probably not have grouped things quite so neatly and plainly.
    hey Random Guy there's a secret to plagiarizing and it seems you haven't figured it out yet... "Any given specific creation would not be so constrained and then Indeed....Use of the word Indeed following that sentence is where you get caught....it's a clear sign of plagiarism...


    another thing...it took you too long to respond...and lastly that statement you stole has to be one of the most re ed things I've ever heard..it makes no sense at all...what's the science that proves evolution is not random...you don't go from a bacteria strain to fully functioning and separate organs replicated in different specifies based on evolution...

    evolution is supposed to be refining process from my understanding..in other words as time go on things evolve in a progressive or get better with time..is that not the case?

    If it is the case how do you explain the death of dinosaurs who by all accounts were far superior genetically to modern day animals and yet evolution seems to have worked backwards for them...

    the whole evolution theory is really a farce people grasping for anything because they can't figure God out...

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    He didn't allow, he ordered the slaughter, and rewarded it.

    A) Morals Come from God
    B) Humans cannot know what is moral
    c) God uses the bible to tell us what is moral
    D) The bible must be interepreted according to humans
    E) Humans interpret what is moral

    You don't see the logical contradiction in that?

    If God decides what is moral, then what is moral can change tomorrow.
    If God communicates what is moral and moral is something outside his control, then why use the bible at all?


    Aside from the fact that you have to be a total chicken when it comes to answering blindingly obvious moral questions, it is just a wee bit logically inconsistant.

    If you believe you need God to tell you what is moral, and you have presented the chicken argument that is the case, then you would simply take up a sword and hack to death childen to "save" them.

    Presumedly, that would include my wicked children, if God told you do so.

    You cowardly sick , you better stay away from my kids.

    The wads who crashed planes filled with civilians into office buildings on 9-11 thought God was telling them that it was moral to kill as well.

    Thinking for yourself is the ONLY real moral system.
    Epic meltdown is epic. Stupid ing atheist and their re ed ass theories.

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    This fish turned into a monkey which then turned into a human, makes perfect sense.

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    Sbm said there were paradoxes in the universe and in life. Realizing that's just gibberish from someone who think they are enlightened, I challenged him to provide a paradox that exists in the universe. He couldn't. Instead, you come along and call something a paradox that isn't a paradox and pretend that satisfies the claim.

    Is that how you operate all the time? If so, I can understand why people call you names.
    Go to the web site if you don't believe it.
    You asked him for one, I just happened to find one.
    You can take it or leave it, no skin off my back.

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    He didn't allow, he ordered the slaughter, and rewarded it.

    A) Morals Come from God
    B) Humans cannot know what is moral
    c) God uses the bible to tell us what is moral
    D) The bible must be interepreted according to humans
    E) Humans interpret what is moral

    You don't see the logical contradiction in that?

    If God decides what is moral, then what is moral can change tomorrow.
    If God communicates what is moral and moral is something outside his control, then why use the bible at all?


    Aside from the fact that you have to be a total chicken when it comes to answering blindingly obvious moral questions, it is just a wee bit logically inconsistant.

    If you believe you need God to tell you what is moral, and you have presented the chicken argument that is the case, then you would simply take up a sword and hack to death childen to "save" them.

    Presumedly, that would include my wicked children, if God told you do so.

    You cowardly sick , you better stay away from my kids.

    The wads who crashed planes filled with civilians into office buildings on 9-11 thought God was telling them that it was moral to kill as well.

    Thinking for yourself is the ONLY real moral system.
    you want me to stay away from your kids..then make sure when your wife s when I come see her tonight

    seriously if God wants your kids then you give them to him....Abraham almost sacrificed Isaac to show his loyalty...

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    Epic meltdown is epic. Stupid ing atheist and their re ed ass theories.
    LOL meltdown.

    I might give a what you think if you could answer simple questions. As it is, you can't. You lost, and dont' like getting called out on it, not any skin off my ass.

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    and the people responsible for 911 was listening to their interpretation of Koran...had nothing to do with the Christian God...

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    Atheist regimes are responsible for 153,368,610 murders in the 20th century alone, how them morals without religion working out for you bud?

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    Epic meltdown is epic. Stupid ing atheist and their re ed ass theories.
    You don't know what a meltdown is.

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    This fish turned into a monkey which then turned into a human, makes perfect sense.
    Humans magically appearing on earth makes more sense.

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    Atheist regimes are responsible for 153,368,610 murders in the 20th century alone, how them morals without religion working out for you bud?
    How many were Christians responsible for in the same time?

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    You don't know what a meltdown is.
    I normally avoid laying out my personal stuff on the internets, but , I'm reeling so much right now, I'm asking everyone/anyone in sight what to do.

    I had some nukes dropped on me this past week regarding the wife, which after looking back the past 1-2 years I should have seen it and I realize I am a ing idiot. I've mulled over everything a billion times and there's no where to go but to get a divorce.

    I have a 7 year old and some have already told me I need to go all out to get full custody. Any other practical advice? Step 1? Step 2?

    ity .




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