2013 Red River Shootout sponsored by Mack Brown's Resignation

[Blake]

Just FYI to throw some reason out there. My wife has a chemical engineering degree from UT with an emphasis in marketing and went back for an MBA. So, it is plausible. Depending on what kind of engineerng you're doing you may want to look into some marketing courses to make the big $$$$. She did it because she was tired of being on the platforms.

I have a friend with a similar background making nice coin in pharmaceutical sales.

[Blake]

Are you re ed? Before I continue, I would like to know the answer to that question.

I think there's a bit of something to what he said.

UT has always been UT, but they were definitely down in the years after Akers.

Mack not only brought them back to prominence, he did his palm greasing part to take UT to an absurd marketing level, sucking in obscene amounts of revenue.

imo, it kind of sucks that he's being treated this way, but at the same time his job is to win les. He's been failing at that with no reversal in sight. It's also hard to feel sorry for a guy that made $5+ million this year.

[Vito Corleone]

If sahoopster's wife she got tired of it thats fine, although still somewhat unusual imho.

It really comes down to you not striking me as engineer material tbh. I dont believe you ever earned that degree--marketing possibly but not engineering.

Unless you are getting an advanced degree few people actually use their bachelors degree as it was meant. Here is a little abut me. After I got my degree I went to work for Hewlett-Packard on the PC side. My thinking was I start out on the PC side get some experience and move over to their medical equipment side. Never happened, I spent 15 years on the PC side. 4 year after I started with them, the company split and the medical side went to a newly formed offshoot company called Agilent.

That's how things go, now if I got my Masters in Engineering you can bet I would be an engineer right now. Bachelors are as valuable today as a high school diploma was 30 years ago. Today it's your grad degree that will make your career. Now of course there are exceptions such as a degree from MIT, Harvard etc but no one in this forum can boast that.

[FkLA]

Unless you are getting an advanced degree few people actually use their bachelors degree as it was meant. Here is a little abut me. After I got my degree I went to work for Hewlett-Packard on the PC side. My thinking was I start out on the PC side get some experience and move over to their medical equipment side. Never happened, I spent 15 years on the PC side. 4 year after I started with them, the company split and the medical side went to a newly formed offshoot company called Agilent.

That's how things go, now if I got my Masters in Engineering you can bet I would be an engineer right now. Bachelors are as valuable today as a high school diploma was 30 years ago. Today it's your grad degree that will make your career. Now of course there are exceptions such as a degree from MIT, Harvard etc but no one in this forum can boast that.

Don't generalize just bc you werent able to put your bachelor's to good use. My girls dad is pretty high up at Siemens with a bachelor's in EE. There are plenty of other similar stories as well.

Are you re ed? Before I continue, I would like to know the answer to that question.

Im an engineer in the making so no, Im not.

[Vito Corleone]

Don't generalize just bc you werent able to put your bachelor's to good use. My girls dad is pretty high up at Siemens with a bachelor's in EE. There are plenty of other similar stories as well.



Im an engineer in the making so no, Im not.

Every doctor out there has a medical degree, every lawyer out there has a law degree. And yes, every engineer out there has an engineering degree. Big surprise.

Not every sales person has a business degree, I made my money in technical sales, having my engineering degree allowed me to speak with people on any level from the engineer to the board member.

One of my best friends got his EE from UTSA and is now a director at Lockheed Martin he is over about 100 engineers and every one of them are superior engineers to him. He however also has an MBA and has no trouble speaking with other engineers or board members. His ability to communicate put him up on all the other engineers from MIT and Harvard.

In short, go be an engineer, build a better light bulb but also know there are other uses for your degree that have less to do with engineering and more to do with people.

[FkLA]

Every doctor out there has a medical degree, every lawyer out there has a law degree. And yes, every engineer out there has an engineering degree. Big surprise.

Not every sales person has a business degree, I made my money in technical sales, having my engineering degree allowed me to speak with people on any level from the engineer to the board member.

One of my best friends got his EE from UTSA and is now a director at Lockheed Martin he is over about 100 engineers and every one of them are superior engineers to him. He however also has an MBA and has no trouble speaking with other engineers or board members. His ability to communicate put him up on all the other engineers from MIT and Harvard.

In short, go be an engineer, build a better light bulb but also know there are other uses for your degree that have less to do with engineering and more to do with people.

All of what you typed in this post is completely reasonable.

Its also completely different than your other post which compared a bachelor's to a HS diploma.

[Vito Corleone]

I know it's hard to understand for someone who is currently in school but about 30 years ago, getting a Bachelors degree was much tougher. Money was tighter, most jobs such as being a police or firemen just required a high school diploma. Today those jobs require a Bachelors degree. This is all about compe ion for jobs. When everyone has a high school diploma employers will want something that will set you apart, that has become the Bachelors degree. So now with everyone getting Bachelors degrees, what is setting people apart for the better jobs? That would be your higher degrees.

This is what I mean when I say that compared to years past the Bachelors degree is now the hs diploma.

The real crazy thing is that kids that are getting vocational degrees are in the highest demand. You might make more money in your lifetime with your bachelors degree but over the next 10 years (short term) your better off getting a 2 year vocational degree as a plummer or electrician.

[Sisk]

I know it's hard to understand for someone who is currently in school but about 30 years ago, getting a Bachelors degree was much tougher. Money was tighter, most jobs such as being a police or firemen just required a high school diploma. Today those jobs require a Bachelors degree. This is all about compe ion for jobs. When everyone has a high school diploma employers will want something that will set you apart, that has become the Bachelors degree. So now with everyone getting Bachelors degrees, what is setting people apart for the better jobs? That would be your higher degrees.

This is what I mean when I say that compared to years past the Bachelors degree is now the hs diploma.

The real crazy thing is that kids that are getting vocational degrees are in the highest demand. You might make more money in your lifetime with your bachelors degree but over the next 10 years (short term) your better off getting a 2 year vocational degree as a plummer or electrician.

Plummer? I'm still not sure if you're someone's ty troll or a genuinely crazy person.

[Vito Corleone]

Plummer? I'm still not sure if you're someone's ty troll or a genuinely crazy person.

You obviously don't pay attention to this stuff, I do. Vocational careers are making fantastic money right out of school, more so than kids going to commuter schools getting bachelors degrees. Don't believe me, look up what it costs to hire an electrician, plummer, cabinet maker, auto mechanic, or carpenter, these guys spend about 2000 on education and are making 30K plus their first year by the time the master their trade they are making 60+. Not only that but they have much more job security than anyone in corporate America has right now.

I'm not crazy, I just read the trends and that is the trends right now. They don't get rich but they carve out a pretty good life without the overhead of paying for that education.

[The Reckoning]

i'm of the opinion that if you're the best at what you do, no matter what it is, someone somewhere will pay you good money

[Sisk]

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not surprised.

[rjv]

You obviously don't pay attention to this stuff, I do. Vocational careers are making fantastic money right out of school, more so than kids going to commuter schools getting bachelors degrees. Don't believe me, look up what it costs to hire an electrician, plummer, cabinet maker, auto mechanic, or carpenter, these guys spend about 2000 on education and are making 30K plus their first year by the time the master their trade they are making 60+. Not only that but they have much more job security than anyone in corporate America has right now.

I'm not crazy, I just read the trends and that is the trends right now. They don't get rich but they carve out a pretty good life without the overhead of paying for that education.

until they hit 50, have degenerative disc disease, shot knees, arthritis and a lack of quality health insurance. then it's off to SSA with the hopes of getting approved for disability