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Less than we have with him (0-2)
The same amount. (3)
More than we have with him now
Seriously? The quote above is so f*cking stupid
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, it takes six months to get approved. The playoffs weren't even on the horizon when some of us registered, so "these g'd'd trolls" as you call them, are not a result of The Finals. Duh.I wish the Ellis'es had closed new registrations after the Finals so we didn't have all these gotdamn trolls in here now.
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Winning those les without the third offensive option that he provided is more than a stretch; it is a stupid take. You bring stupidity to a whole new level, liar.
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I don't get the poll's question. We have four les, not three.
I would say we'd have at least 2 without him pretty much guaranteed (assuming we'd at LEAST have a replacement league average starting SG, not just a random reserve scrub starting), and a strong chance at more for most years after the 2nd.
I give Manu huge credit for our 2005 and 2007 les since he deserves it, but he played poorly in 2008, was often injured since then, and has had his playoff performance slip down noticably every year since 2011.
So logically, we'd have a minimum of 2 les, and while I give Manu huge credit for being great in our 2005 and 2007 runs, I think we literally would not have been worse off if we had a league average NBA starting SG the past two years instead of Manu. Especially last year. So while we wouldn't have won in 2005 and probably not 2007 if we couldn't make it past the Suns, I think it's strongly arguable we could've won last year with a replacement SG. Manu also wasn't that particularly good in 2012 either. He had some good games but he was already trending those awful games on the road at OKC too. Check the box scores. Awful numbers at OKC while Harden was creaming him all series.
I give the dude his due credit especially for his career outside of the recent two seasons, but let's not act like our team would've been a lost cause without him. Spurs would've paid someone else to play SG for us and it wouldn't have been a bum. We also probably could've afford Luis Scola as well had we not been paying our SG as much as we have Manu, but I know that's a can of worms. Just saying, it isn't like we would've gone from Manu to total bum with no moves being made whatsoever.
That isn't nearly the same thing. You're pointing out one play and comparing it to a guy who blew a dozen plays in a single game. That's called false equivilency. 12 blown plays in a single close game does not = 1 or two blown plays. I agree you could easily say that, but you'd also easily be wrong to blame them equally.
As for the season as a whole, it was pretty much Manu's worst season in like a decade too. . .so you're kinda not saying much. Not trying to Manu bash, just don't like false equivilency.
Probably about the same. We lose 05 and win 13.
Well congrats, i have officially had enough of this website and don't think i'm gonna post again. The fact that people on here genuinely think the spurs would have more rings or the same amount without manu is without a doubt (seriously, no exaggeration here) the stupidest, most uninformed take on anything i have ever heard in my life. Anyone who actually understands basketball and can process and analyze things at a 3rd grade level will be the first to tell you that without manu 05 and 07 just don't happen. Period. No if's, and's or but's. Honestly i am shocked at how little loyalty and appreciation some of you have, and though I've never taken the internet too seriously, i can tell that those who think this must just be pieces of in real life tbh if they can't appreciate someone who has put in so much effort and heart into his career here. I used to get the whole "spurs fans are the most spoiled" shtick because of our success, but it has really made some of you into complete pussies. Did he play really poorly and maybe even cost us a le with his poor game 6 performance? Possibly. Does that take away from his many accomplishments and his drive that made him a fan favorite for years? Absolutely not. This site man, i swear...
What the does this even mean? No the spurs wouldn't have won without Duncan, show me one time where any one ever has tried to refute this. Show me one in post where someone says manu has been more vital in our le runs. That's like saying Parker sucks because without Tim we don't win .Without Tim we win zero. Can you say the same without Manu? no.
That's not even a balanced poll as it is skewed negative.
Epic fail bag.
Uh, the bag OP who claims Manu "won three les".
Not. Manu might be irreplaceable in 2005.......maybe. Not in 2003 or 2007 and screwed us in 2006, 2013, and probably a couple more I am too tired to cite.
Without Manu? The Spurs would be a very different team. TP could be playing elsewhere. Pop and TD could be at home a couple years ago. Without Manu the history of the Spurs and the history of the NBA the last 10 years would be different.
Without both les...... how many things could change? Trades, coaches, legacy........... No Big3 era .
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You are right and have a legitimate gripe.
Unfortunately these haters are ruining this site with their ignorant obsession. They spoil every thread with the same old unappreciative annoying spiel. And it does not matter to them what the topic of the thread is, as long as they can pollute it with their hateful dribble about Manu, then they are happy.
As long as this hate squad keeps doing this, it will spur a ground swell of detractors to their nonsense. They created this unbiased opposition to them in the first place, and that opposition will continue to grow with each of their ignorant posts.
You have every right to be ashamed of these obsessive haters. As a critical and rational Spurs fan you can see where criticism is due with regard to the Spurs, but when it crosses the line from criticism into the realm of biased obsessive nonsense, that is when it shows a complete lack of class such that it will always provoke a swift and thorough rebuke.
Good luck to the haters on here. Instead of convincing the vast majority of us, they will continue to lose any shred of credibility that remains to them until no one pays any attention to them at all. Good with that.
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1999
2003
2013..
Manu was a mess in 2003 he didn't do much and 2013.. Well uh yeah.........
i agree. 99, didn't have him. 2003 didn't do much and 2013. , we can even add in 2006 if u like. so about 4, the same about we have now. and who's to say without him in 05 and 07 they wouldn't have just added another guard to fill in his role? let's stop making ginobli out to be a franchise player . yes he helped in the le runs, but he was neither a 1st or 2nd option.
what about the playoffs? there was no doubt we were going in the playoffs as a top seed, but other than game 5 in the finals, what did he do the whole playoffs? yeah, mention the game winning 3 agaist golden state, but please don' forget the 3 early in the shootclock from about 26 feet.not realizing Manu was arguably the 2005 finals MVP
How many les would we win without Manu?
He was great in 05 might have cost us a chip single handily in 06 and 13 and was good in 07.. Manu has always been hit or miss his whole career.. Great Spur but you can't ignore all the bad that came with the good..
The main question these past years what free agent could the spurs have gotten if they had not gotten ginobili such contracts? which free agent would have come here to play with Duncan and fill manu's role??
Thank you, James, Db, and Mois. The closest to irreplaceable he got was 2005...
Thats a simplisting way of putting it...
He wasn't the reason that we lost the le. People are quick to jump on his 8 turnovers in game 6 when they most of them occurred during prior to the Miami run at the start of the 4th. Also, the 8 turnovers wound up accounting for 9 points.
We wouldn't have even sniffed finals without him. And we won't make the finals ,again without him making our bench better.
How exactly was 06' his fault? Averaging 21 points on 50% FG against Dallas. He came up big in that massive run in game 7. Then he hit a 3 and fouled Dirk on the other end. It went to OT. We had 5 minutes to win a playoff game at home, But Terry got hot, doesn't mean he cost us a le. I will give you the hit or miss but that's was more game to game in his prime. More often then not he came up big.
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