[QUOTE=Nbadan;6887232]FreedomWorks chief Matt Kibbe said Friday said that divisions on the right could cause the Republican Party to split in two.
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The Repugs splitting in two would certainly help the Dems win the WH, but I doubt it would help Dems much red states, that are pretty much irredeemably Repug due to gerrymandering and voter disenfranchisement.
Repugs in some states plan to change their electoral system from Presidential winner takes all to proportional system by district
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/penn...is-on-the-move
iow, the Repugs KNOW they are screwed demographically, so they know they must screw democracy.
meh. I would love to see part of the country simply go away and become a libertarian utopia, so you they can have all the little government they want, and take the jeebo , creationist, anti-science dip s with them.
It would become a cesspit of stupidity, corruption, and misery, then degenerate into feudal warlords and fall behind economically as just another failed -ism, to be spoken of with the same derision as communism itself.
By all means... pick some states and go.
from 2011....
Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama. GO!
Sorry, the cost shifting happens anyway, Obamacare or not. This has been explained to you. I am paying for it, you are paying for it, with every good/service you buy.
It reminds me nothing so much of a brief blurb from one of the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy.
A civilization decided to rid itself of all the "useless" people, like telephone sanitizers, packed them all up into spaceships and sent them off, only to die off from a disease spread by dirty telephones.
I would not care to eat produce or meat out of such a country.
Were taking Oklahoma and Kansas with us along with the rest of the south
You skinheads and your meth.
The fallacy of the Republican “moderate”: Stop being nostalgic for the right
A raft of news coverage points back to the good old days, when Republicans were reasonable. The history is way off
This recent display of bomb-throwing obstructionism by Republicans in Congress evokes another painful, historically embarrassing chapter in the Republican Party — that of Senator Joseph McCarthy, chairman of the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, whose anti-Communist crusade was allowed by Republican elders to expand unchecked, unnecessarily and unfairly tarnishing the reputations of thousands of people with “Red Scare” accusations of Communist affiliation. Finally Senator McCarthy was brought up short during the questioning of the United States Army’s chief counsel, Joseph N. Welch, who at one point demanded the senator’s attention, then said: “Until this moment, Senator, I think I never really gauged your cruelty or your recklessness.” He later added: “Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?”According to Taft, McCarthy’s “anti-Communist crusade was allowed by Republican elders to expand unchecked” and it was ultimately forces like his grandfather who put that crusade in check.
There is more than a passing similarity between Joseph McCarthy and Ted Cruz, between McCarthyism and the Tea Party movement. The Republican Party survived McCarthyism because, ultimately, its excesses caused it to burn out. And eventually party elders in the mold of my grandfather were able to realign the party with its brand promise: The Republican Party is (or should be) the Stewardship Party.
http://www.salon.com/2013/10/26/the_...for_the_right/
Why Atheists Can’t Be Republicans
The secular have no place in today's GOP.
Atheists are secularists, and a secularist cannot be a member of today’s Republican Party. You’re either one or the other. You cannot be both. Now, I am acutely aware that a great number of atheists identify with the libertarian wing of the Republican Party, but this is comical. A lack of evidence is why atheists don’t believe in God. But to believe in libertarianism is in itself an act of faith, because libertarianism has not only never been tried anywhere, but an overwhelming number of economists reject the philosophy as little more than “capitalism with the gloves off” — a condition that would only exacerbate the winner-takes-all society we have today.
If an atheist is looking for political evidence, the evidence we have is that not only is today’s
Republican Party a theocratic sponsor, it’s also a party that has been proven wrong on just about everything in the past three decades or more:
from evolution to climate change,
trickle-down economics,
that the Iraqis would greet us as liberators,
that the Bush tax cuts would lead to jobs. It didn’t. It added $3 trillion to the debt.
They were wrong
that the stimulus would trigger inflation,
that austerity stimulates an economy and
that universal healthcare is worse than slavery.
http://www.alternet.org/belief/athei...ter915483&t=10
A major, perhaps primary, feature of the "Christian" theocratic, supremacist brain-dead assholes is that they are just as intolerant and close minded as all religious fanatics, extremists, the TX Taleban being an outstanding example
internecine warfare: centrist Repugs violently de-snotting you tea baggers
“Hopefully we’ll go into eight to 10 races and beat the snot out of them,” said former Rep. Steve LaTourette of Ohio, whose new political group, Defending Main Street, aims to raise $8 million to fend off tea-party challenges against more mainstream Republican in bents. “We’re going to be very aggressive and we’re going to get in their faces.”…
http://hotair.com/archives/2013/10/2...ies-next-year/
Ex-GOP Senator: Republican Party Totally Disconnected from Reality
I suppose the obvious answer is that the party is so far off to the right that it can’t even come to grips with reality in America today. Now, that’s the easy answer because it’s clear that the Republicans, through their most extreme members, are showing that tendency.
The Republican Party started to purge its moderates … starting in about ‘86. I was part of that purge in ‘88 when I lost as senator. Now you’re left with the religious right and the rural votes — and that’s it.
http://www.alternet.org/ex-gop-senat...tter916138&t=7
cuccuinelli losing in VA, McConnel behind in KY
and now
Sam Brownback, who has served in Kansas as a Congressman, U.S. Senator, and now Governor, is in danger of being unseated after one term, according to a SurveyUSA poll conducted for KWCH-TV in Wichita. Today, the Democratic ticket of Paul Davis and Jill Docking edges the Republican ticket of Brownback and Jeff Colyer, 43% to 39%.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/1...s?detail=email
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the old lesbian in hot water boiled by tea baggers
Poll: Lindsey Graham May Face Runoff
As the Republican primary campaign in South Carolina’s U.S. Senate race begins to intensify, in bent Lindsey Graham’s poll numbers are sliding. Graham now polls at 51 percent against his three opponents; if he fails to get above 50 percent in the primary, he’ll face a runoff election against the second-place candidate.
Graham has received a number of high-profile endorsements in his campaign for a third term: President George W. Bush, former secretary of state Henry Kissinger, and former World Bank president Paul Wolfowitz have all donated to his Senate campaign. Despite these notable donors, however, Graham is losing support in one key voting bloc: the Tea Party wing of the South Carolina Republican Party.
“I think I can safely speak for just about everyone in the Tea Party that we don’t like Lindsey Graham,” Keith Tripp, a member of the Laurens County Tea Party, told CNN.
http://www.nationalmemo.com/poll-lin...y-face-runoff/
PPP Poll: Dems Could Win 'Sizable Majority' in House in 2014 - Pickup Opps in 49 of 61 Districts
A new round of post-shutdown polling shows that Democrats not only have an opportunity to take back the House of Representatives next year, but that they could win a sizable majority if voter anger over the shutdown carries into 2014....
Republicans will likely find this third round of surveys to be the most alarming yet, given that the new results show substantial Republican vulnerability in many districts that were not even supposed to be close. In bent Republicans trail generic Democrats in 15 of the 25 districts we most recently surveyed. This means generic Democrats lead in 37 of 61 districts polled since the beginning of the government shutdown. Democrats only need to net 17 seats in order to retake the House.
And the bad news for Republicans doesn’t stop there, because in the minority of the 61 districts where Republicans lead in the initial head-to-head question, 11 more Republicans fall behind once voters are informed that the Republican supported the government shutdown and 1 race becomes tied. This means that our results indicate Democrats have pickup opportunities in an astounding 49 of the 61 districts surveyed.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/1...f-61-Districts
Isn't a generic candidate usually a lot better than a real one in a vote for congress though? Of course generic candidate is going to beat actual piece of in bent when congress has a 9% approval rating.
Yeah I remember them saying that after LBJ and the Vietnam war about the dems, then Nixon resigned and Carter was elected and the republicans were dead again....then they said the democrat party was done during the Reagan Revolution, then they declared the republicans dead when Obama was elected and now we're back to the democrats being in trouble again....
8 years is a long time to put up with the bad ideas of either of these parties. I wish there would be a 'leave people the alone' party.
In my decades of polling, I recall only one moment when a party had been driven as far from the center as the Republican Party has been today.
The outsize influence of hard-line elements in the party base is doing to the GOP what supporters of Gene McCarthy and George McGovern did to the Democratic Party in the late 1960s and early 1970s — radicalizing its image and standing in the way of its revitalization.
…
While there are no catchy phrases for the Republicans of 2013, their image problems are readily apparent in national polls. The GOP has come to be seen as the more extreme party, the side unwilling to compromise or negotiate seriously to tackle the economic turmoil that challenges the nation.
If a values backlash and racial-political polarization helped forge the staunch conservative bloc, the conservative media has reinforced it.
The politicization of news consumption is certainly not new; it’s been apparent in more than 20 years of data collected by the Pew Research Center. What is new is a bloc of voters who rely more on conservative media than on the general news media to comprehend the world. Pew found that 54 percent of staunch conservatives report that they regularly watch Fox News, compared with 44 percent who read a newspaper and 30 percent who watch network news regularly. Newspapers and/or television networks top all other news sources for other blocs of voters, both on the right and on the left. Neither CNN, NPR or the New York Times has an audience close to that size among other voting blocs.
Conservative Republicans make up as much as 50 percent of the audiences for Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O’ Reilly. There is nothing like this on the left. MSNBC’s “Hardball” and “The Rachel Maddow Show” attract significantly fewer liberal Democrats.
I
see little reason to believe that the staunch conservative bloc will wither away or splinter; it will remain a dominant force in the GOP and on the national stage. At the same time, however, I see no indication that its ideas about policy, governance and social issues will gain new adherents. They are far beyond the mainstream.
Any Republican efforts at reinvention face this dilemma: While staunch conservatives help keep GOP lawmakers in office, they also help keep the party out of the White House. Quite simply, the Republican Party has to appeal to a broader cross section of the electorate to succeed in presidential elections.
This became apparent last fall. Voters generally agreed with the GOP that a smaller government is preferable to a larger, activist one, and therefore they disapproved of Obamacare. However, exit polls showed popular support for legalizing same-sex marriage and giving illegal immigrants opportunities for citizenship.
This combination of conservative and liberal views is typical. To win, both parties must appeal to the mixed values of the electorate. But it will be very hard for the Republican Party, given the power of the staunch conservatives in its ranks.
Of course, the Democrats of the 1970s were able to overcome their obstacles. All it took was Watergate, an oil embargo and a presidential pardon of Nixon for Jimmy Carter to secure a thin victory in 1976. Not even the most frustrated Republicans could hope for a similar turn of events.
The nation’s demographic and social shifts have also played a role in galvanizing the new bloc. Conservative Republicans are more likely (33 percent) than the public at large (22 percent) to see the growing number of Latinos in America as a change for the worse. Similarly, 46 percent of conservatives see increasing rates of interracial marriage as a positive development, compared with 66 percent of the public overall.
To the conservative base, Obama, as an African American in the White House, may be a symbol of how America has changed. Unease with him sets conservative Republicans apart from other voting blocs — including moderate Republicans, who have hardly been fans of the president. For example, a fall 2011 national survey found 63 percent of conservative Republicans reporting that Obama made them angry, compared with 29 percent of the public overall and 40 percent of moderate Republicans.
Via Breibart:
. He knocks conservative media for attracting a highly conservative audience, then asserts: “There is nothing like this on the left.” Yet a Pew study released just this week shows that MSNBC is more skewed towards opinion over news than any other network, including Fox.
By ‘nothing like this on the left,’ Kohuc is stating (obviously) that the left does not depend on cable television for news, or opinion sites. In words the author at Breitbart can understand: We read and stuff too.
lol thinkprogress. lol alternet. lol Daily Kos. lol trothout. lol rawstory. lol simpleton.
Bingo, that's what this all comes down to. You have to give the D's credit; their plan to elect a new people looks like it will result in a permanent Left dominated federal government in the future. (Don't think that this "just happened"; a Labor politician in Britain admitted that they sought out non-European immigration to England "to rub the Right's nose in diversity and to win elections")
I remember reading that Romney won 70% of the white Protestant vote and 60% of the white Catholic vote. Think about that. That would have given him a landslide victory not that long ago at all; instead he lost. If Hillary wins then I think we have seen the thread le come to life. Some Dem once said, "We will beat the Republicans by making them turn into Democrats." That's exactly what will happen, and they did it through immigration. When Texas goes blue (which is a 100% certainty BTW, just a matter of when - surely you don't think that a Texas that is 25% white in 25 years is going to vote for conservatives, do you?) then that's it.
Republican Rep: 'The GOP Coalition Cons utes A Shrinking Portion Of The Electorate'
TOM KLUDT – NOVEMBER 18, 2013, 6:58 AM EST
Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewir...the-electorateThe Republican Party is at serious risk of running out of Republican voters, according to a senior GOP lawmaker.
“Republicans need to understand that their political problems are neither tactical nor transitory,” Rep. Tom Cole (R-OK) said, as quoted by the Washington Post. “They are structural and demographic. The hard truth is the GOP coalition cons utes a shrinking portion of the electorate. To change that daunting reality, Republicans must appeal to groups that are currently outside their ranks or risk becoming a permanent minority.”
A former pollster, Cole is known to speak candidly about the political problems facing the GOP. He broke with his party late last year when he said that Republicans should accept President Barack Obama's offer to extend middle income tax cuts in the near-term. Cole also said that Republicans would be damaged politically by the recent government shutdown.
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Why Republicans should be very, very afraid
For all the built-in advantages that should favor the Republicans in 2014 (from gerrrymandered one-party House districts to a daunting Senate map for the Democrats), I have yet to find a GOP strategist totally convinced that the party will hold its House majority. In similar fashion, Democratic consultants talk nervously about “the funky atmosphere” among the voters who soundly re-elected President Barack Obama less than a year ago.
But the more likely outcome is that, even in defeat, the tea party wing of the Republican Party will draw the wrong lessons from its repudiation by a lopsided majority of voters. Instead of recognizing that House Republicans went too far in their implacable and implausible demands to defund Obamacare, the right wing of the GOP may perversely conclude that its congressional leaders hoisted the white flag too soon. The NBC News/WSJ poll picks up this split: 72 percent of tea party backers approve the scorched-earth tactics of the congressional GOP, while only 42 percent of non-tea-party Republicans hold similar views.
Not too long ago it would have been easy to predict that the 2014 elections would be a referendum on the rollout of Obamacare. Today, a better guess would be that the health care law will prove to be one of those partisan issues in which supporters and critics cancel each other out. There will be the inevitable clash of testimonial ads: Democrats will favor weepy spots featuring Americans getting health insurance for the first time, while Republicans will go with small-business owners wailing about how Obamacare forced them to cut jobs. And most voters will wisely hit the mute button.
What this suggests is that the after-effects from the government shutdown and the debt ceiling dance of doom are apt to become the dominant voting issues of 2014. That is why, despite the down-with-all-in bents mood among the voters, Republicans are disproportionately at risk. Voters are accurately blaming the Republicans for the government shutdown — and that stigma will be hard to escape.
It is telling, in the NBC/WSJ poll, that 65 percent of voters think the government shutdown is hurting the economy and 63 percent describe a failure to approve a debt ceiling bill as “a serious problem.” These are memories that are not going to be erased with a handshake deal at the White House and the reopening of the national parks.
In 1914, cheering throngs all over Europe sent their boys off to war confident that victory could be achieved in a few months with limited casualties. Instead, for the next four years, armies on both sides endured horrible death tolls in the trenches of France. And, increasingly, soldiers found it impossible to recall what they were fighting for.
So it was when the House Republicans shut down the government confident that they could win major concessions from the White House in a few days. Now they are hunkered down in the trenches, with public opinion turning against them, desperate for any rationale to abandon the battlefield. But they cannot simply surrender because … well … that would mean that they have been bleeding in the polls for nothing. Rarely has a political party lost so much so rapidly from a series of strategic blunders. So, for a change, I believe the hype. Republicans will need a long time to recover from their biggest Capitol Hill debacle in memory.
http://news.yahoo.com/why-republican...192943188.html
and the debt ceiling debacle, aka sequestration, kicks in even worse in January, as certainly nothing will happen in Congress, esp the House, to stop it.
It's going to be interesting what happens in the 14 midterms...traditionally, the party in the WH loses seats..the Dems certainly have more seats up in the Senate, but there is no indication yet that the GOP is making gains in the seats that are open.....nominating Tea Bag candidates could hurt the GOP again....which is why I think the GOP needs to distance itself from Cruz and the Teabaggers ASAP...
....Christie is the only GOP candidate that could challenge Hillary or Elizabeth Warren or a combination of the two...but the teabaggers could undermine christie
As a couple of folks have pointed out, the dems or the republicans are declared dead every few years following one or another's election disaster.
The Republicans have definitely made themselves out to be a fringe right party by their recent vociferous idiocy ( e.g. Crus, et.al.). However, if the Dems cannot get Obmacare functioning without increasing everybody's insurance rates (and this seems to be a more plausible reality day-by-day), then they will simply hand the reins of government back to the republicans. Why? Because the one thing that the American electorate hates worse than an ideologue is ineffective government.
I agree with the observation that right now the Republicans bear a more striking resemblance to the Dems of the McGovern/McCarthy era than they do of any period since then. And the Dems did destroy themselves in the process of going further and further left and with increasingly strident voices. BUT...the repubs can still recover if the Dems shoot themselves in the foot, which they seem quite capable of doing.
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