Snowden Just Needs to Stop Now....

[AntiChrist]

OK....we get it...the Bush administration spyed on everybody..now you may just being a little vindictive?....the NSA has been doing what conspiracy theorists have said they been doing for years....big surprise...

Please stop, Snowden! There's a Dem. in the WH.

[boutons_deux]

DHS and NSA Threaten to Sue Man for Selling "Department of Homeland Stupidity" T-Shirts and Coffee Mugs!





The Department of Homeland Security and National Security Agency threatened to sue a novelty store owner who sells "Department of Homeland Stupidity" coffee cups and T-shirts with the slogan: "The NSA: The only part of government that actually listens."

In response, Dan McCall sued the NSA and DHS on cons utional grounds, in Federal Court.

McCall operates the website LibertyManiacs.com. He has (nonparty) Zazzle.com -which prints images provided by customers onto products - print his images onto the items he sells.

McCall has a "virtual storefront" on the Zazzle website, and his own website redirects traffic to Zazzle "so that people wishing to express their own opinions by purchasing and displaying these items may easily do so," McCall says in the complaint.

http://www.alternet.org/dhs-and-nsa-...ter917241&t=11

[Nbadan]

Another Member Of Congress Calls Congressional Oversight Of The NSA An Utter Farce

There is the real shortfall in the whole NSA spying story....where was the Congressional oversight? Why aren't we seeing members of the oversight committee being subpenaed and hung out to dry....maybe....well .....maybe its because it's much less politically painful to blame Obama

[Nbadan]

You cannot be so blind to realize that it is Obama that is getting called by the French President and the German Chancellor. I would say it is at the point where we should not be spying on our allies leaders at all. Suspect and confirmation are two completely different things. Now you are just being obtuse.

There is zero proof that Obama authorized or was even aware of the spying on other world leaders going on...that said, let's be serious....have you never seen a James Bond movie?...where did you grow up?

"I'm shocked -- shocked -- to find that gambling is going on in here!" Renault says, at which point, of course, he's approached by a croupier who hands him a wad of cash. "Your winnings, sir." "Oh, thank you very much."

Asked about spying on the heads of foreign governments, Clapper called such monitoring of "leadership intentions" a "hardy perennial" of the intelligence trade and said it was one of the first things he learned in intelligence school back in 1963. He also answered "absolutely" when asked if US allies had spied on the states.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57...g-merkel-mess/

[TSA]

^^^^
Traitor

[Nbadan]

^^^^
Traitor

Go back to Darrin.....and I thought you were gonna give up the TSA avatar?

[TSA]

Go back to Darrin.....and I thought you were gonna give up the TSA avatar?

I am not Darrin. This country is still in distress and I will fly the flag upside down proudly.

[Clipper Nation]

There is the real shortfall in the whole NSA spying story....where was the Congressional oversight? Why aren't we seeing members of the oversight committee being subpenaed and hung out to dry....maybe....well .....maybe its because it's much less politically painful to blame Obama

You just said in the OP that "the Bush Administration was spying on everybody," but now you're whining about the Obama administration having to take responsibility for the NSA's controversies.... could you be a bigger partisan hack?

[Nbadan]

You just said in the OP that "the Bush Administration was spying on everybody," but now you're whining about the Obama administration having to take responsibility for the NSA's controversies.... could you be a bigger partisan hack?

obama is taking responsibility for Dubya's NSA ups..that's what grown ups do....talk about a partisan hack...

[Winehole23]

Google has spent months and millions of dollars encrypting email, search queries and other information flowing among its data centers worldwide. Facebook’s chief executive said at a conference this fall that the government “blew it.” And though it has not been announced publicly, Twitter plans to set up new types of encryption to protect messages from snoops.

It is all reaction to reports of how far the government has gone in spying on Internet users, sneaking around tech companies to tap into their systems without their knowledge or cooperation.


What began as a public relations predicament for America’s technology companies has evolved into a moral and business crisis that threatens the foundation of their businesses, which rests on consumers and companies trusting them with their digital lives.
So they are pushing back in various ways — from cosmetic tactics like publishing the numbers of government requests they receive to political ones including tense conversations with officials behind closed doors. And companies are building technical fortresses intended to make the private information in which they trade inaccessible to the government and other suspected spies.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/01/te...anted=all&_r=0

[Winehole23]

Yet even as they take measures against government collection of personal information, their business models rely on collecting that same data, largely to sell personalized ads. So no matter the steps they take, as long as they remain ad companies, they will be gathering a trove of information that will prove tempting to law enforcement and spies.

[boutons_deux]

I wonder when the IRS will be able to tap all the data pipes, targeting the corps and wealthy assholes evading taxes, financial sector fraud?

[Nbadan]

In 2009, Ed Snowden said leakers “should be shot.” Then he became one
In Internet chat, Snowden opined on travel, short-selling—and national security.

< TheTrueHOOHA> moreover, who the are the anonymous sources telling them this?
< TheTrueHOOHA> those people should be shot in the balls.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2...-became-one/3/

[Nbadan]

Snowden Asks U.S. to Stop Treating Him Like a Traitor
By ALISON SMALE
Published: November 1, 2013

BERLIN — Edward J. Snowden, the fugitive American security contractor granted temporary asylum by Russia, has appealed to Washington to stop treating him like a traitor for revealing that the United States has been eavesdropping on its allies, a German politician who met with Mr. Snowden said on Friday.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/02/wo...-clemency.html

Winter in Russia isn't very fun...

[SA210]

He shouldn't have to be there for doing a Patriotic thing for the people and exposing the real traitors in Washington.

[Nbadan]

He shouldn't have to be there for doing a Patriotic thing for the people and exposing the real traitors in Washington.

He might have been a hero when he released the info on the domestic spying, but now you got to wonder if Putin is pulling his strings...countries spy on other countries...big surprise....

[SA210]

He might have been a hero when he released the info on the domestic spying, but now you got to wonder if Putin is pulling his strings...countries spy on other countries...big surprise....

I don't doubt Putin trying to do that, but he also should not have been treated like a traitor to begin with. Obama could have backed up his own words from the past about protecting whistle blowers..but instead he takes them down. Really sad, honestly. I really don't think that's what America should be about. Like Manning, he should not be in prison. It'd be great if Obama pardoned him, but I have no confidence in that, at all.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

There is the real shortfall in the whole NSA spying story....where was the Congressional oversight? Why aren't we seeing members of the oversight committee being subpenaed and hung out to dry....maybe....well .....maybe its because it's much less politically painful to blame Obama

The POTUS is the head of the federal bureaucracy which includes the NSA. It's his responsibility. Dear lord you are a shill as bad as the GOP bots around here.

[Nbadan]

I don't doubt Putin trying to do that, but he also should not have been treated like a traitor to begin with. Obama could have backed up his own words from the past about protecting whistle blowers..but instead he takes them down. Really sad, honestly. I really don't think that's what America should be about. Like Manning, he should not be in prison. It'd be great if Obama pardoned him, but I have no confidence in that, at all.

In time perhaps Snowden and Bradley can be seen as heroes, but the present is never kind to whistle-blowers...and Snowden took these files to Russia where they are in no doubt now possessed by the KGB

[SA210]

In time perhaps Snowden and Bradley can be seen as heroes, but the present is never kind to whistle-blowers...and Snowden took these files to Russia where they are in no doubt now possessed by the KGB

He's in Russia bc his own "free" country (well the govt) wants his head for him doing what was right. Wouldnt even be an issue if Dems grew a spine instead of acting like neocons on this and other issues.

[Nbadan]

The POTUS is the head of the federal bureaucracy which includes the NSA. It's his responsibility. Dear lord you are a shill as bad as the GOP bots around here.

These weren't his policies...these were policies put into place by the Bush Administration under its 'terrorism and national security' cloke...it's quite plausible that Obama didn't know the full extent of the domestic spying going on..especially since much of it occurred circa 2006, well before Obama..if it occurred under Obama one could say that it was just a continuation of business as usual....the only difference between you and I is that I am willing to give Obama the benefit of the doubt...

Every time you call me a shill you get spanked...you would think you would get tired of it...

[Nbadan]

He's in Russia bc his own "free" country (well the govt) wants his head for him doing what was right. Wouldnt even be an issue if Dems grew a spine instead of acting like neocons on this and other issues.

If anything Bradley is the hero because he whistle-blew, but he didn't flee to another country....he stayed here and yeah, he suffered, some would say was tortured for staying...

[FuzzyLumpkins]

These weren't his policies...these were policies put into place by the Bush Administration under its 'terrorism and national security' cloke...it's quite plausible that Obama didn't know the full extent of the domestic spying going on..especially since much of it occurred circa 2006, well before Obama..if it occurred under Obama one could say that it was just a continuation of business as usual....the only difference between you and I is that I am willing to give Obama the benefit of the doubt...

Every time you call me a shill you get spanked...you would think you would get tired of it...

Everytime you get called a shill you make some characterization of 'spanking' or the like but that is about the extent of it.

And of course you are going to give Obama the benefit of the doubt. You are a blatant partisan. Nevermind that he ran on a platform of transparency and freedom for the common man. Nevermind that he doubled down on policies that were everything but those promises.

[SA210]

If anything Bradley is the hero because he whistle-blew, but he didn't flee to another country....he stayed here and yeah, he suffered, some would say was tortured for staying...

It was torture, I give that dude a lot of credit. But also look at the years he's gonna be doing. Crazy. They want Snowden's head on a stick. Why wouldn't he flee? He saw what they did to Manning, what they did to Aaron Swartz..all the bogus charges they were putting on him to shut him up which resulted in his committing suicide (or so we are told), all the other whistle blowers and Occupy protesters they have gone after.

[Nbadan]

Everytime you get called a shill you make some characterization of 'spanking' or the like but that is about the extent of it.

And of course you are going to give Obama the benefit of the doubt. You are a blatant partisan. Nevermind that he ran on a platform of transparency and freedom for the common man. Nevermind that he doubled down on policies that were everything but those promises.

blah, blah, blah....this administration is 10,000 times more transparent than the last administration...to expect government to be completely transparent is either naive, for which I have no time, or incompetent, for which I have no patience...