Carter posted a 18 PER last year on solid efficiency in a creator role, less than 50% of his points were assisted..
I'm not sure what games you watched last year, tbh..
no doubt the VC contract is a better overall deal considering the past few years. but until VC picks up Rosetta Stone, he won't be able to sell jerseys the way Manu does, so Manu makes more sense from a business perspective.
plus Manu may very well have a great season this year, if he can stay healthy.....God willing.
lol tosb
Threads restarted by Manu haters----how many more of these----
He's only a HOFer because of his international career. His NBA career is extremely unimpressive considering all the frequent injuries and missed time. Pau Gasol, for example, has a more respectable NBA career than Manu.
[QUOTE=AchillesHeel;6911678]You're right, Manu just won a le for South Beach, what has Vince won?[/QUOT
Uh..Nothing? Oh, and don't forget the 3 les with the Spurs.
Also, I'm shocked at all the hate Carter is getting in this thread. He was a pretty good defender last year and one of the best players for the Mavs. I'd easily take 2013 Carter over 2013 Manu
Kobe fans use this same logic to justify his horribly overpaid contract. Sad that Manu's fans are resorting to these same excuses.
If Manu was replaced by Carter, the bench unit would go from the best in the league to middle-of-the-pack instantly.
Manu.
No brainier.
How is it an excuse if it's true?
I mean, you can simply disagree it's worth paying extra for that benefit, but that's a different argument altogether...
" Unimpressive."Only in the Hall of Fame because of his "international career." Yeah, that NBA career won't be considered when he is inducted. I'm sure him being a key player on the most winning team in any team sport for over a decade is considered by most to be "unimpressive."
Manu cost the Spurs number 5. Manu thinks he is a star.
Take the Finals as as example. He won a game for us (Game 5), because e was vintage Manu. But he (and Pop) lost a game for s (Game 6) because he was trying to be vintage Manu, and it totally wasn't there. But Pop stayed with him, and he shouldn't have. Pop also took Tim out. If Pop would monitor Manu more, and make sure he doesn't beat us himself, I'd be more comfortable. He made 8 turnovers in Game 6. How is that humanly possible? Point is, if a guy is playing that badly, he shouldn't be on the floor. Or if he's on the floor, he shouldn't be given the la ude to even make those turnovers. For example, if Danny Green had 4-5 turnovers, a good coach would tell him the next he puts the ball on the floor, he's getting yanked. In other words, if guys are trying to do too much and they're killing you, then it's on the coach to stop the bleeding. Nice job, Pop.
Manu because he can create for others even if sometimes its for the Miami Heat during the finals!
Last edited by DDUBB1770; 10-31-2013 at 07:01 PM.
Another dumb comment from someone that doesn't actually watch the games. Dallas had the number 2 bench last year. SA wasn't even a top 5 bench unit. It was common, last year, for our starters to build up a big lead only for the bench to come in and bring the opponents back into the game. Manu was a big reason why the bench unit frequently collapsed. His impact statistics were among the worst of his career.
Manu posted a net +1.8 for his On Court / Off Court numbers last season. Mediocre...especially considering Ginobili used to be a net +9 type player(at the very least...in 2011 Manu had a net +13.3).
Carter, last season, posted a net +11.4 for his On Court / Off Court numbers. MUCH better than Manu. When you also factor in that Carter played 82 games, it's a pretty easy choice. Manu needs minutes restrictions and misses dozens of games every season.
Still can't understand why Ginobili's fans refuse to acknowledge his sharp decline. It's as if they still think it's 2005.
Unless you have a ownership stake in the team, why the should the fans care about the business side of things? Using that logic, we should sign Jeremy Lin after his contract with the Rockets is up. He'll bring us a ton of Chinese fans, right?How is it an excuse if it's true?
I mean, you can simply disagree it's worth paying extra for that benefit, but that's a different argument altogether...
Where are you getting that from?
I see them #5 whether you look at PPG or efficiency...
Last edited by ElNono; 10-31-2013 at 08:05 PM.
Of course the business side matters, it shapes a lot of the decision the team makes. Fans are free to be oblivious to all that, but it shouldn't be surprising that a business makes favorable business decisions. It's not an excuse, it's simply a reality.
Yeah, he did. But he helped with the second, third and fourth. I'm no CoM member, but VC over Manu is just absurd.
because in a salary cap league, a player making 7 million can prevent your team from signing other players. i dont think he actually cares that manu is getting money is his bank account, he was upset that manu is taking a chunk of the limited pie
Of course the business side matters, it shapes a lot of the decision the team makes. Fans are free to be oblivious to all that, but it shouldn't be surprising that a business makes favorable business decisions. It's not an excuse, it's simply a reality.
this thread is not even a shot at Manu. Both players have the same age, play off the bench primary at sg and occasionally sf. Found interesting to compare both contract and contribution.
I have no issue with people saying they prefer what Manu bring on the table no need to act like VC is a scrub not playing defense and not capable to create his own shot
The only thing they have in common is age and both are guards.
Their roles for respective teams are very different.
VC contract is a of a deal though. Both teams should be satisfied.
Same site, except I was looking at Deff (Efficiency Difference). SA ranked sixth according to that filter. Regardless, whether you want to call them fifth or sixth, the point remains. Dallas had the better bench unit and Carter was an important part of that(which refutes that guy's point about SA becoming a middle-of-the-pack bench with Carter). The notion that Carter is some kind of cancerous black hole needs to go away.
And spurraider21 basically explained why I have an issue with Manu's contract. He was getting paid star money and giving us role player production. He was only worth about 4 million last season and making 14 million. SA's a small market team trying to stay under the lux tax...every penny counts and Manu's contract amounted to a lot of wasted dollars.
Even at 7 million, Manu is overpaid. His contemporaries(Carter and Ray Allen) are getting 3 million a year and giving their respective teams similar production that Manu is giving the Spurs.
Agreed. In fact, I'd say VC is a better defender than Manu in recent years.
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