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Well since he said he was going too... and he didn't .. that makes him a liar.. he said he was going to repeal it and he didn't.. it's really easy to play the game..
lolI HOPE This is going to be a millstone around the necks of all you Dems. Here's how I HOPE it plays out imo.
* October 2013 - Harry Reid will NOT allow a vote on “you can keep your insurance”, dooming Landreau and other Senate Democrats. Obama announces that even if the Senate passes it, he would veto it.
* 1 November 2013 - The website will NOT be working, reported by MSM
* 15 December - the signups will not be cut off because millions will not have been able to sign up
* 1 Jan 2014 - Millions will lose their doctors, millions will not have insurance yet, reported by MSM
* 15 March 2014 - Exchanges will not have met their goals of signing up young healthys
* 1 April 2014 - Insurance Companies will, in their quarterly reports, disclose their expected losses for 2014, including the Federal subsidies that cover 90% of those losses — reported by the MSM
* April 2014 - Insurance companies predict 2015 rates based on 2014 experience, showing the beginnings of a death spiral. These will be leaked and reported by the MSM
* July 2014 - Heritage will compile and report the list of required federal subsidies (about $50 billion) to insurance companies, and the MSM will report it.
* August 2014 - Republican candidates will start running ads hanging all of the above on each and every Democrat House and Senate candidate.
* September 2014 - the website will finally be working, reported by the MSM, just in time to start signing up for 2015.
* October 2014 - Insurance companies will begin to send out their 90 day letters to large employers cancelling their group health policies because they do not satisfy HHS minimum standards. Companies will inform their employees (i.e., voters) MSM reports that 50 million will lose their insurance plans.
* 1 November 2014 - Insurance companies send out their 60 day letters of cancellation to the employers of another 50 million employees. MSM reports this.
* 4 November 2014 — Federal Elections
Well since he said he was going too... and he didn't .. that makes him a liar.. he said he was going to repeal it and he didn't.. it's really easy to play the game..
Yeah I forgot that part. Thanks.
ACA is going to be huge success, sooner or later, and it will cost Repugs and tea baggers dearly in non-gerrymandered statesThis is going to be a millstone around the necks of all you Dems. Here's how it plays out imo.
* October 2013 - Harry Reid will NOT allow a vote on “you can keep your insurance”, dooming Landreau and other Senate Democrats. Obama announces that even if the Senate passes it, he would veto it.
* 1 November 2013 - The website will NOT be working, reported by MSM
* 15 December - the signups will not be cut off because millions will not have been able to sign up
* 1 Jan 2014 - Millions will lose their doctors, millions will not have insurance yet, reported by MSM
* 15 March 2014 - Exchanges will not have met their goals of signing up young healthys
* 1 April 2014 - Insurance Companies will, in their quarterly reports, disclose their expected losses for 2014, including the Federal subsidies that cover 90% of those losses — reported by the MSM
* April 2014 - Insurance companies predict 2015 rates based on 2014 experience, showing the beginnings of a death spiral. These will be leaked and reported by the MSM
* July 2014 - Heritage will compile and report the list of required federal subsidies (about $50 billion) to insurance companies, and the MSM will report it.
* August 2014 - Republican candidates will start running ads hanging all of the above on each and every Democrat House and Senate candidate.
* September 2014 - the website will finally be working, reported by the MSM, just in time to start signing up for 2015.
* October 2014 - Insurance companies will begin to send out their 90 day letters to large employers cancelling their group health policies because they do not satisfy HHS minimum standards. Companies will inform their employees (i.e., voters) MSM reports that 50 million will lose their insurance plans.
* 1 November 2014 - Insurance companies send out their 60 day letters of cancellation to the employers of another 50 million employees. MSM reports this.
* 4 November 2014 — Federal Elections
An ex-health-insurance corporate exec:
What Congress didn't say: Obamacare outlaws policies that are essentially worthless
As I watched Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius being grilled by members of the House Energy and Commerce Committee last week, it was immediately clear to me just how many of them are in the pockets of the industry I used to work for.
Former colleagues of mine undoubtedly had a hand in writing the members’ comments and questions. Their behavior showed just how much more willing they are to protect the profits of health insurers than protect the health and financial well- being of their cons uents.
I got the same treatment from many of those committee members when I provided testimony in March — or tried to. I had been invited to talk about the business practices of insurers — practices that have contributed to the rising number of uninsured and underinsured Americans. Among them: refusing to sell policies to millions of us because of preexisting conditions and charging exorbitant premiums for skimpy coverage to others.
When I tried to tell the tale of a Florida woman who died of cancer last year because she was priced out of the market and was unable to buy coverage at any price, Rep. Marsha Blackburn, a Republican from my home state of Tennessee, cut me off. She clearly had no interest in hearing about Leslie Elder or anything else I had to say. Instead, Blackburn held forth for more than five minutes and gave me all of 20 seconds to respond.
Throughout that hearing, a former co-worker from my Humana days, who later worked for the industry’s big lobbying group and then the Bush administration, stood a few feet behind Blackburn. That former co-worker now serves as senior policy adviser to the committee. So I was not the least bit surprised that Blackburn was determined to give me as little time to talk as possible.
During the Sebelius hearing, Blackburn and other GOP members talked about letters cons uents have received informing them that their policies will not be available next year. How could that be, they asked, when the president assured us four years ago that, “If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan.” Blackburn, et al accused the president of being dishonest.
Obama should not have used those exact words. That’s because one reason for the Affordable Care Act in the first place was to protect us from insurers all too willing to lure us into inadequate policies with slick marketing materials. Insurers have made billions in profits from selling such junk insurance, and people like Blackburn clearly want to get rid of the law that makes junk insurance illegal.
http://www.publicintegrity.org/2013/...=publici-email
Why didn't Obama say this from the start instead of lying over and over and over and over again?
I don't know, really mysterious. His fault, not ACA's. The minimum requirements were available to be known as soon as ACA was passed and published.
The ACA minimum requirements terminate one of the biggest, most successful corporate scams of the individual insurance market. caveat emptor, the corps will screw you at every turn. THAT's the real story, not all the right-wing bull noise.
Last edited by boutons_deux; 11-05-2013 at 05:06 PM.
I was able to keep my plan.
sorry, positive anecdotes don't' count, in fact they don't exist,
At Least 2 Million Texans Qualify for Tax Credit
More than 2 million Texans are eligible for tax credits to purchase health coverage in the federal insurance marketplace,
Texas is one of 26 states that chose not to establish a state-run health insurance marketplace under the Affordable Care Act and to instead rely on a federal one. Texas now has more people eligible for federal premium tax credits next year than any other state, according to the report. The credits are available to those with incomes between 100 and 400 percent of the federal poverty line who meet some other criteria.
Cynthia Cox, a policy analyst for Kaiser, said the average Texas family would receive a tax credit of $2,700 per year if they purchased coverage in the federal marketplace. How much they would pay for insurance depends largely on where they live and what policy they select.
.... (followed by a bunch of lies and propaganda from Perry's spokesthing and other Repug/conservative mouthpieces)
http://www.texastribune.org/2013/11/...lify-healthca/
In Shake-up, Overseer of Flawed Health Website Is Retiring
The chief information officer at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, whose office supervised creation of the troubled federal website for health insurance, is retiring, the Obama administration said Wednesday.
The official, Tony Trenkle, will step down on Nov. 15 “to take a position in the private sector,” said an email message circulated among agency employees.
As the agency’s top information officer, Mr. Trenkle supervised the spending of $2 billion a year on information technology products and services, including development of HealthCare.gov, the website for the new health insurance marketplace.
Millions of consumers have been frustrated trying to shop for insurance on the site. The site is a central element of President Obama’s health care overhaul, under which most Americans will be required to have insurance next year.
Mr. Trenkle, reached by telephone on Wednesday, refused to discuss his plans. “I can’t speak with you,” he said.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/11/07...?from=homepage
I expect several of his immediate subordinates to "retire" once the website gets in better shape.
Pretty much. I started looking into the types of policies that were canceled.
They were mostly worthless. The reason that they were so cheap is that the coverage they generally afforded was thin to non-existent.
Having seen how HMOs put out specialty policies, I can vouch for their high profitability to the company, meaning low utility to the consumer.
Mostly because he ed up. Pretty simple.
The vast majority of people did get to keep their coverage.
Jon Stewart pointing out the kettle is deeper shade of black
MUST-SEE Jon Stewart: Obamacare opponents "lie like motherf***ers"
Last night, Jon Stewart blasted the opponents of Obamacare for continually lying their asses off.
We're still working out some of the fine print on our health care system. Right now, there's been some talk that the President of the United States was less than 100% honest with some of his health care rhetoric.
His opponents have been lying like mother ers about its effects!
REP. GEORGE HOLDING, R-NC (10/23/2013): It is estimated that Obamacare will increase taxes over a trillion dollars, and add $6 trillion dollars to the deficit.
ALLISON DENIJS (10/11/2013): We're looking at probably $20,000 in premiums next year. ... And we don't even have insurance for our daughter, who has a pre-existing condition.
BRIAN KILMEADE (10/28/2013): You have a $95 dollar fine, which a lot of young people are going to take, in order to avoid prison time, or whatever ramifications.
DR. BEN CARSON (10/9/2013): Vladimir Lenin ... he said socialized medicine is the keystone of the arch to the socialist state.
DR. BEN CARSON (10/11/2013): Obamacare is really, I think, the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery.
BETSY McCAUGHEY (10/29/2013): And the point is, who should set the minimum? A lot of people are saying, why should somebody in Washington tell me I have to have these 10 items in every plan. It's 10 essential benefits. As I said, it's like passing a law that the only car you can buy is a fully loaded Cadillac. What if you can only afford a Honda?
So your point is, why should the government set 10 standards for health care, when they don't set 10 standards for cars? Cuz guess what?
This is the federal standards for automobiles. The reason is because the federal government sets at least 50 standard items that must be in either a Cadillac or a Honda if they would like to be referred to as a car.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/1...s?detail=email
Last edited by boutons_deux; 11-07-2013 at 05:17 AM.
I'm a bit more concerned about the President of the United States constant lies. There is no way to spin or deflect that boutons, sorry. Your leader is a fraud.
Midlands man has personal information compromised on healthcare.gov
By Meaghan Norman
Updated: 11/04/2013 11:04 am EST
About a month ago, attorney Tom Dougall logged on to healthcare.gov to browse for cheaper insurance for him and his wife.
On Friday, the last thing he expected to hear on his voicemail was a man from North Carolina who says he can access all of Tom's personal information.
Dougall says he thought it was a scam until he realized his privacy had been breached.
"I believe somehow the ACA, the Healthcare website has sent me your information, is what it looks like," said Justin Hadley, a North Carolina resident who could access Tom's information on healthcare.gov. "I think there's a problem with the wrong information getting to the wrong people."
In a telephone interview, Hadley said he simply put in his username and password when Dougall's information appeared.
http://www.wistv.com/story/23864518/...-healthcaregov
Sebelius: ‘Possible’ for felon to become an ObamaCare navigator
Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius told a congressional panel on Wednesday that it was “possible” for an ObamaCare navigator to have been convicted of a felony.
Speaking at Senate Finance Committee hearing, Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) asked if federal background checks were a prerequisite for the hiring of the individuals tasked with walking people through ObamaCare enrollment.
“The president is in Dallas, Texas today touting the navigator program, which as you know are people who are hired to navigate the [Affordable Care Act], but I would just like to ask you this question,” Cornyn said to Sebelius. “Isn’t it true that there is no federal requirement for a navigator to undergo a criminal background check, even though they will receive sensitive personal information for people they help sign up for the Affordable Care Act?”
“That is true,” Sebelius responded. “States can add an additional background check and other features, but that is not part of the federal requirement.”
“So a convicted felon could be a navigator and could acquire sensitive personal information?” Cornyn asked.
“That is possible,” Sebelius said. “We have contracts with the organizations, and they have taken the responsibility to screen their navigators and make sure that they are sufficiently trained for the job, and there’s a self attestation, but it is possible.”
http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch...n-to-become-an
in 2009 it would have been most indiscreet for Obama to announce provisions against junk insurance, when the deal with "big insurance" and "Big Pharma" had not yet concluded.
similarly, it is hard to imagine how it would have been prudent, expeditious or wise for Obama to announce afterwards he was tackling insurance fraud, though as you point out it would have been absolutely honest to have done so.
expecting politicians to be brutally honest about the human impact of their own policies night not be totally realistic or reasonable, but one musn't underrate the pressure of umbrage and fake umbrage related to lies about policy.
Washington Obstruction vs Obamacare Kentucky Success
Obamacare Kentucky Success
The Governor had many important pieces of information to provide. He told Schultz,
- He said that the idea that nobody wants Obamacare (Affordable Care Act) is hogwash. In his Red State of Kentucky, people are clamoring to get covered.
- His state embraced Obamacare from the beginning. They called it Kynect. In his state it is all about Kentuckians helping Kentuckians.
- They have already signed up 32,000 Kentuckians.
- Over 350,000 Kentuckians are swarming their Obamacare website.
- He said contrary to Republican misinformation, Obamacare is creating jobs. He referenced an economic analysis that place Kentucky’s Obamacare job creation north of 17,000.
- He stated the fact that no company with under 50 employees is affected by Obamacare. Even so he is advising companies with as little as 25 employees to checkout the exchange. Many will qualify for tax subsidies that can help their employees get affordable healthcare. Note that if an employer does not provide health insurance, the employee can get affordable health insurance directly from the Obamacare exchanges.
- When asked if either of Kentucky’s misinforming Republican Senators have visited this Obamacare Kentucky success story and on the ground implementation, Steve Beshear said they have not.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/1...O?detail=email
constant lies..lol
list the "constant lies" by Obama
Allow me to list a few from "your leaders"
Iraq has WMD
Iraq was involved in 9/11
Aluminum tubes!
"Curve ball" is a dependable source of info for starting a war
trickle down economics works
tax cuts always pay for themselves
tax cuts stimulate job and economic growth
the national debt is the biggest and most immediate threat to USA
austerity, esp laid in the backs of the 47%, is just what America needs right now to
The American People want SS and Medicare and Medicaid privatized or killed
SS is bankrupt and must be privatized.
govt spending is out of control
guns don't kill people
the 2nd Amendment forbids all regulation of guns.
etc, etc, etc.
Boutons ignoring that the Obamacare site is giving people's personal information to ex-convicts and total strangers because it doesn't fit the party-line narrative per par
You LieBoutons ignoring that the Obamacare site is giving people's personal information to ex-convicts and total strangers because it doesn't fit the party-line narrative per par
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