Give me some refresher guys..Was Ginobili ever a superstar in his career?

[PingPong]

I think "superstar" means big marketing contracts, media exposition, prestige into the league, in official terms. Manu is a legend, but never received the same praises or was incensed like some less talented american native athletes. I mean Money, fame. But the media, the league, the marketing.

[y2kbug]

2004-2005 he was untouchable and probably one of the best players on the planet. Championship and Gold Medal to prove it.

[spurraider21]

It's possible to be a superstar without leading a team to a le

[xmas1997]

I think "superstar" means big marketing contracts, media exposition, prestige into the league, in official terms. Manu is a legend, but never received the same praises or was incensed like some less talented american native athletes. I mean Money, fame. But the media, the league, the marketing.

This is a true realistic unbiased perspective. TGY and his e-gang of Manu haters could take a few lessons from you.

[tenbeersbold]

Simply put NO....playing w/ Timmy does wonders for ones reputation

Super star at marketing himself to Mexicans in San Antonio YES,though he wouldn't actually come close to associating w/ any of the brown locals sadly enough.

[PlayNando]

Neither Tony nor Manu have ever been Superstars. They have never been consistent enough to carry the Spurs to the le. Tim was always there to do the moping when they screwed up.

[Skull-1]

Simply put NO....playing w/ Timmy does wonders for ones reputation

Super star at marketing himself to Mexicans in San Antonio YES,though he wouldn't actually come close to associating w/ any of the brown locals sadly enough.

He is too white for them I guess. He said as much.

[spurs10]

Manu is a winner on all levels. The are you talking about?

Exactly! Which explains why many of these guys spend a large portion of their lives talking about him. Just think if they put a small fraction of that time and energy into their families..??
I will enjoy the next two years and hope I can be there when he is inducted into the Hall of Fame.

[xmas1997]

Exactly! Which explains why many of these guys spend a large portion of their lives talking about him. Just think if they put a small fraction of that time and energy into their families..??
I will enjoy the next two years and hope I can be there when he is inducted into the Hall of Fame.

[PingPong]

He is too white for them I guess. He said as much.

Too european for the latinos, too White for the american basketball fans. LOL

[temujin]

Too european for the latinos, too White for the american basketball fans. LOL

Too intelligent, too.

[Arcadian]

Not in the NBA, but yes in international play.

[Juggity]

There are stars and there are superstars. A label like "superstar" are reserved for guys like Kobe, Dirk, Lebron, and Duncan. These are your superstars. They're the guys that can lead you to the promise land. Guys like Manu, TP, Ray Allen, Chris Bosh, etc... are stars. They may be considered stars across the NBA or amongst their own teams. These are the guys that can help you get to the promise land but can't do it alone.

[Proxy]

without getting into the semantics of what a superstar is, 48 points iirc

[HarlemHeat37]

He was a star player, borderline top 10 player, tbh..superstar depends on each individual's definition..

[jestersmash]

He was a PER superstar for a lot of his career. If you just assumed his production would stay constant and increased his minutes by 5-10 MPG, he'd have put up overall "superstar" numbers.

[jestersmash]

The problem is that it's not really reasonable to assume that his production would've stayed constant if you increased his minutes.

[Mikeanaro]

Define superstar ? Is Dwert a superstar ? Is Blake Griffin a superstar ? Kevin Love ?

None of them, probably the term MINI-STAR is closer for those guys

[elemento]

A star yes, a superstar no.

[Mikeanaro]

I would say too white for the latinos, here in Argentina most of us have Italian and Spanish heritage so he is a regular dude if you watch tv news here they always report what manu did last night, but every other country like Chile Brazil Paraguay Bolivia are more brownish (not trying to be racist here) but there is another issue too, which is most latinos only care about futbol and futbol and futbol, some soft ones would follow tennis too.

[PingPong]

I would say too white for the latinos, here in Argentina most of us have Italian and Spanish heritage so he is a regular dude if you watch tv news here they always report what manu did last night, but every other country like Chile Brazil Paraguay Bolivia are more brownish (not trying to be racist here) but there is another issue too, which is most latinos only care about futbol and futbol and futbol, some soft ones would follow tennis too.

I meant latinos from USA, wathever are their heritage (mostly mexicans and puertoricans, I guess.) Not the South americans.

[will_spurs]

Neither Tony nor Manu have ever been Superstars.

Finishing in the top 5 in MVP votes qualifies as being a superstar imo.

[Mikeanaro]

I meant latinos from USA, wathever are their heritage (mostly mexicans and puertoricans, I guess.) Not the South americans.

I know man, I was saying in an international way how manu can appeal the rest of the world, like kobe fans from Vietnam of Katzajistan

[Cry Havoc]

Neither Tony nor Manu have ever been Superstars. They have never been consistent enough to carry the Spurs to the le. Tim was always there to do the moping when they screwed up.

Tony isn't a superstar? A perennial MVP candidate? Mmmkay.

[PingPong]

I know man, I was saying in an international way how manu can appeal the rest of the world, like kobe fans from Vietnam of Katzajistan

You are right. With the exception of Venezuela, Puerto Rico, Argentina, Uruguai and Brazil, But most of the South and latin american countries don't give a about basketball. Ironically, in Brazil, Scolla is more known by the average citizen than Manu because he beasts in every game against Brazil NT.