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    Neither Tony nor Manu have ever been Superstars.


    Parker has been the NBA Western MVP for 3 years already

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    Dust off your 2005 Championship DVD and the answer is rather obvious.

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    Dust off your 2005 Championship DVD and the answer is rather obvious.

    A flash in the pan. He was great that year and bordered on supers om. Didn't attain it though. Hasn't approached that level in a long time...

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    Dust off your 2005 Championship DVD and the answer is rather obvious.
    Or the Athens Olympics 2004 footage...

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    A flash in the pan. He was great that year and bordered on supers om. Didn't attain it though. Hasn't approached that level in a long time...
    He deserved finals mvp in 2005.

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    Or the Athens Olympics 2004 footage...
    He deserved finals mvp in 2005.
    His accomplishments speak for themselves.

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    He deserved finals mvp in 2005.
    I thought so at the time, but now I realize Tim was and is the MVP of this team....and was in 2005's Finals.

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    Tim was banging heads with one the best defensive front court and still put up very good numbers. And people forget how great Ben Wallace was back in the days.

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    Tim was banging heads with one the best defensive front court and still put up very good numbers. And people forget how great Ben Wallace was back in the days.
    Toughest Finals, IMO... Detroit was also defending champs and top D in the league at the time, IIRC.

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    Define superstar ? Is Dwert a superstar ? Is Blake Griffin a superstar ? Kevin Love ?
    Seriously.

    And by the measuring stick of "carried his team to a championship" then we could only just recently count Lebron James as a super star. And Kevin Durant and Carmello Anthony are still not in that category. So, that can't be it either.

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    Toughest Finals, IMO... Detroit was also defending champs and top D in the league at the time, IIRC.
    Their whole iden y went with Larry Brown. They would have been champs had they had Brown instead of Saunders who was too busy running them to the ground in the reg season.

    I was very surprised at how easy the Heat dispatched them in the ECF.

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    Their whole iden y went with Larry Brown. They would have been champs had they had Brown instead of Saunders who was too busy running them to the ground in the reg season.

    I was very surprised at how easy the Heat dispatched them in the ECF.
    Agreed. Flip was awarded a contending team after underachieving in Minny. Joe Dumars got y too, picking Milicic over Melo.

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    Not a superstar. That's rare territory for people like Timmeh. Closest Manu got to that was 2005 Finals...
    Yeah, he was a top 5 SG or higher though a few years! I remember those years when he would pour down 40 some odd on a team and will them to a victory. Manu in his prime was a very good player and a top SG in the league (Not the best but up there). I can live with that.

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    Yeah, he was a top 5 SG or higher though a few years! I remember those years when he would pour down 40 some odd on a team and will them to a victory. Manu in his prime was a very good player and a top SG in the league (Not the best but up there). I can live with that.
    He was pretty much considered the rank 3 SG behind Kobe and Wade for a couple of years.

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    Equal best player on a championship team. 2005.
    Horrible definition of a superstar.

    Who was the superstar on that piston team of 2004??

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    Their whole iden y went with Larry Brown. They would have been champs had they had Brown instead of Saunders who was too busy running them to the ground in the reg season.

    I was very surprised at how easy the Heat dispatched them in the ECF.
    Your right, they won 65 games and that year appeared to be on top the the world and faves IMO to possibly win the le in 06 but they flamed out because he ran them into the ground trying to get near 70 wins. He ruined them during the regular season that year, he forgot it's a marathon and not a sprint. Saunders sucked IMO.

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    He was pretty much considered the rank 3 SG behind Kobe and Wade for a couple of years.
    You are correct.

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    In the USA, and around the basketball globe, I think Manu has been a star. In Argentina, he's been a superstar. He was named the most important athlete of the last decade in Argentina.
    Actually, Manu is pretty popular across South American when it comes to basketball. And Manu was a Superstar in Europe and Italy, where he had multiple MVP trophies. Superstar on the international stage, winning the WC and Gold medal and being voted the best player of each tournament.

    On the Spurs, he had to play 3rd fiddle to Duncan and Parker. On any other team, I pretty Manu would have been a sure cut Superstar by US fans. But considering that Manu has been voted the 2nd & 3rd best SG in the NBA by GMs and Coaches for many of years, I would say the consensus around the league would be that he was.

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    2005 vs the Suns, he destroyed them...and he got off on the Pistons too

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    Also 2007 run but he left me real sad in 06, in .4 and in game 6.

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    He was Italian league MVP, and was very definitely a superstar in his time in Italy. To say nothing of his premium role in his Gold Medal win. But I assume the OP is referencing NBA play specifically.

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    No, he hasn't even averaged 20 points in a season. Super stars are go to franchise multiple all star type players.

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    He was pretty much considered the rank 3 SG behind Kobe and Wade for a couple of years.
    Who considered him ranked that high, this board?

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    no, just no.

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    He was Italian league MVP, and was very definitely a superstar in his time in Italy. To say nothing of his premium role in his Gold Medal win. But I assume the OP is referencing NBA play specifically.
    TGY can't refute this. Unless he is spamming.

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