When you have three former CIA officials, David Atlee Phillips, David Sanchez Morales and Howard Hunt all admit that admit the CIA was involved in the assassination doesn't that speak volumes? When you have a right wing Kennedy hater, Jospeh Milteer, telling an FBI informant ONE MONTH BEFORE the assassination that Kennedy would be killed by a high powered rifle from an office bulding what does that tell you? Or John Martino, mafia bagman, telling his wife on the morning of 11.22.1963 that Kennedy was going to be assassinated in Dallas later that day. How about the man standing behind the fence seconds after the last shot showing a Dallas cop Secret Service badge only to find out the Secret Service denied having any men on the ground in Dealy---all went to Parkland. Or the other man showing Secret Service ID talking to people in front of TSBD? Or the many witnesses standing on the ground in front of TSBD minutes BEFORE the motorcade arrived seeing TWO men on the 6th flooor, one dark complected (Cuban) holding rifles? Or CIA/KGB double agent Richard Case Nagel who was tracking Oswald before the assassination intentionally going into an El Paso Bank and firing shots to get arrested so to get himself extracted from the plot? Or, Hoover acknowledging that someone was in Mexico City impersonating Oswald at the Cuban and Soviet embassies, which means he was being set up and there was a conspiracy. Geez, there is just some much factual data the public doesn't care to know. The public and a very compliant press swallowed what the governement told us baout the JFK assassination, about the Gulf of Tonkin Incident and WMD in Iraq.
Yup, I agree.
Oliver Stone just posted this to his FB wall.
For those of you who asked for the details of my suggested reading list on JFK at the ArcLight screening the other night, here again are the suggestions.
1. “JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters” by James W. Douglass (Touchstone, 2008).
2. “Reclaiming Parkland” by James DiEugenio (Skyhorse Publishing,2013). In this book I’m talking specifically about where Jim does an incredibly efficient job of deconstructing the 2000 plus page Vincent Bugliosi defense of the WC in “Reclaiming History.” Bugliosi comes across as a shrill prosecutor insulting anyone who believes in anything other than the Warren Commission as insane. Truly Bugliosi seems the one who’s nuts to me.
3. Also read James DiEugenio’s “Destiny Betrayed,” (Skyhorse updated 2012).
4. “The Last Investigation: What Insiders Know about the Assassination of JFK” by Gaeton Fonzi (Skyhorse, 1993), which revealed the inner workings of of the HSAC in 1979, which effectively overruled the WC.
5. “Breach of Trust: How the Warren Commission Failed the Nation And Why” by Gerald McKnight (University Press of Kansas, 2005) shows how U.S. security agencies hijacked the Warren Investigation.
6. “Our Man in Mexico: Winston Scott and the Hidden History of the CIA” by Jefferson Morley (University Press of Kansas, 2008). Morley is a stalwart, runs JFKfacts.org
7. “Oswald and the CIA” by John Newman (Skyhorse,1995). Wonderful early investigation, still a classic. Newman consulted with us during the making of the film.
8. “Brothers: The Hidden History of the Kennedy Years” by David Talbot (Free Press, 2007). What Robert Kennedy was thinking about his brother’s death. Based on over 150 interviews with Kennedy relatives and insiders.
9. Coming out shortly is Robert Groden’s “Absolute Proof.”
Additionally, there are other excellent works from Mark Lane, Cyril Wecht, Josiah “Tink” Thompson, Gary Aguilar, and Joan Mellen’s “A Farewell to Justice” (Skyhorse, 2005). As well as many other great sources that I haven’t listed, but for brevity’s sake…
I real surprised that Larry Han 's Someone Would Have Talked is not on this list. Excellent book and researcher as is Jim DiEugenio. Here is Jim's top 10 list of books:
The Top Ten JFK Assassination Books
By James DiEugenio
Revised and re-posted, November 2013
Rush to Judgment, by Mark Lane (1966)
Accessories After the Fact, by Sylvia Meagher (1967)
Presumed Guilty, by Howard Roffman (1975)
Conspiracy, by Anthony Summers (1981)
Spy Saga, by Philip Melanson (1990)
The Last Investigation, by Gaeton Fonzi (1993)
Let Justice Be Done, by Bill Davy (1999)
Breach of Trust, by Gerald McKnight (2005)
JFK and the Unspeakable, by James W. Douglass (2008)
Destiny Betrayed, Second Edition, by James DiEugenio (2012)
Here is a link to Don Roberdeau's incredible Dealey Plaza map which shows where a lot of evidence is:
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Richard Case Nagell is probably the biggest case of confirmation bias I have ever seen.
He certainly did string along a bunch of people for years though.
Thanks for the list and this link
Bull ...The Bay of Pigs was totally his fault, backed some coups that got people killed,
He was lied to by the CIA, they told him that the people of Cuba would rise up against Castro sparked by the invasion.....which is why he didn't trust the CIA after the Bay of Pigs...
....he had already removed 1000 advisers and was gonna pull the rest by 1965......his ultimate actions on Vietnam and
Lee Harvey Oswald. Period.
Yeah, no.Lee Harvey Oswald. Period.
Oswald was a spook...probably gave secrets to the Russians and wasn't so much as suspected of being a traitor when he returned to the US a few years later..
People cannot believe a man as insignificant as Oswald killed a man as significant as the president of the United States. If security for presidents was now what it was then, how many presidents do you think we'd have lost by now ? All of 'em ? Oswald killed Kennedy. By himself. Trust me, I was born in the 50's, I remember that day and believed for the longest time it HAD to be a conspiracy. It wasn't. It was just a tragedy.
The Church committee...
...By the early years of the 1970s, the unpopularity of the Vietnam War and the unfolding Watergate scandal brought the era of minimal oversight to an abrupt halt.[according to whom?] The United States Congress was determined to rein in the Nixon administration and to ascertain the extent to which the nation's intelligence agencies had been involved in questionable, if not outright illegal, activities.
A series of troubling revelations started to appear in the press concerning intelligence activities. First came the revelations of Christopher Pyle in January 1970 of the U.S. Army's spying on the civilian population[1][2] and Sam Ervin's Senate investigations produced more revelations.[3] Then on December 22, 1974, The New York Times published a lengthy article by Seymour Hersh detailing operations engaged in by the CIA over the years that had been dubbed the "family jewels".Covert action programs involving assassination attempts against foreign leaders and covert attempts to subvert foreign governments were reported for the first time. In addition, the article discussed efforts by intelligence agencies to collect information on the political activities of US citizens.[4]
These revelations convinced many Senators and Representatives that the Congress itself had been too lax, trusting, and naive in carrying out its oversight responsibilities.[citation needed]
The United States House Select Committee on Assassinations concluded that it was probable that:The Ford administration, particularly Rumsfeld, was concerned about the effort by members of the Church Committee in the Senate and the Pike Committee in the House to curtail the power of U.S. intelligence agencies. Frontline quoted U.S. diplomat and Nixon assistant Robert Ellsworth, who stated: "They were very specific about their effort to destroy American intelligence [capabilities]. It was Senator Church who said our intelligence agencies were 'rogue elephants.' They were supposedly out there assassinating people and playing dirty tricks and so forth... Well, that just wasn't true." Donald Rumsfeld and Ellsworth prevented the committees from dismantling the CIA and other intelligence organization
four shots were fired
the fouth shot came from a second assassin located on the grassy knoll, but missed. The HSCA concluded the existence and location of this alleged fourth shot based on a Dallas Police Department dictabelt recording that was later discredited, because it was recorded after the assassination, and therefore invalid.[5]
The HSCA agreed with the single bullet theory, but concluded that it occurred at a time point during the assassination that differed from any of the several time points the Warren Commission theorized it occurred.
The Department of Justice, FBI, CIA, and the Warren Commission were all criticized for not revealing to the Warren Commission information available in 1964, and the Secret Service was deemed deficient in their protection of the President.
The HSCA made several accusations of deficiency against the FBI and CIA.[6] The accusations encompassed organizational failures, miscommunication, and a desire to keep certain parts of their operations secret. Furthermore, the Warren Commission expected these agencies to be forthcoming with any information that would aid their investigation. But the FBI and CIA only saw it as their duty to respond to specific requests for information from the commission. However, the HSCA found the FBI and CIA were deficient in performing even that limited role.
Well it makes a good story but, in the end, nothing you can do about it. Maybe he needed to be killed. We never know the machinations that go on. He's dead. Unfortunately we got LBJ.
Kennedy was, next to James Madison, our greatest president.
Here's the government's one-shooter theory -- the bullet on the far left (CE 399) caused seven wounds in two men, including piercing several bones and was found on a stretcher at Parkland Hospital. The other bullets (left to right) were shot into cotton wadding, water and through a leg of lamb bone:
Not enough info to make that statement. His life, administration, and legacy, was cut short. It's too bad. A terrible tragedy. I was in Jr High when he was killed. Our nation changed, on a dime, after that. I like to think there would have been no Vietnam, but there's no guarantee that wouldn't have happened anyway. We'll never know. It's like the proverb from Charlie Wilsons War. 'Oh how terrible'. We'll see, said the wise man. We don't know.
Oh my god, not the debunked 'pristine bullet' theory ? Lollerz....
Here's the government's one-shooter theory -- the bullet on the far left (CE 399) caused seven wounds in two men, including piercing several bones and was found on a stretcher at Parkland Hospital. The other bullets (left to right) were shot into cotton wadding, water and through a leg of lamb bone:
oh yea, the bullet that magically appeared
The buck stops at JFK.
Dude didn't even consult the guy who planned the greatest amphibian invasion in history about what to do..
It was just dumb.
No, he hadn't removed anyone. He signed an order with that intent by the end of 1963, and that would only have been in the strictest of secrecy per his instructions.
It remains to be seen whether electoral politics would have let him publicly withdraw all US forces to let South Vietnam fend for itself. After JFK helped get the Diems killed shortly before his own death, it's not a sure bet by any means.
And?Here's the government's one-shooter theory -- the bullet on the far left (CE 399) caused seven wounds in two men, including piercing several bones and was found on a stretcher at Parkland Hospital. The other bullets (left to right) were shot into cotton wadding, water and through a leg of lamb bone:
Your ballistics conclusions?
It's thought that Oswald was a false defector sent over to the Soviet Union. Before defecting he was assigned to a CIA base in Japan where U2's flew from. He mysteriously learned Russian while in Japan. He was discharged early from the military, came back to Dallas for 2 days, then caught a freighter to Finland and then booked a flight to Moscow? Where did he get the funds for that?
Some have speculated that he was sent to the Soviet Union to divulge the al ude the U2 flew which the Russians shot down a few weeks later with Gary Powers as the pilot. The thinking is the war hawks in the US wanted to scuttle a peace conference between Eisenhower and Khrushchev which it did and also bring in the era of military spy satellites and the missile program.
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