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    Just admit it bro, there's a fat steak in your underoos when you learned what I've done (and continue to do) for kids.

    Why did Bob Barker want people to spay and neuter their pets? Did he hate animals? Oh , I just compared people to cats and dogs--Nazi behavior, amirite?
    I think it is nice what you do.

    You seem uncomfortable with your earlier words. Why is that?

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    following DD into the NFL Forum
    Honestly, I was just wondering if the people who he talks football with knew he was a ginormous bag. I am not a football kind of guy, stopped caring about it along time ago.

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    I think it is nice what you do.

    You seem uncomfortable with your earlier words. Why is that?
    Hypocrite much? I don't like seeing thousands of children have no future because their 17 y/o crackhead mothers and absentee fathers made a mistake. You don't like that either (your words), but are more than happy with the "oh well, happens--just throw more food stamps at them and encourage them."

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    Only a simpleton would fall for your loaded questions. Did you not say people should not have kids if they don't have the means to support them? Yet you're intellectually dishonest and willing to encourage said behavior with even more free nom-noms. You don't even understand your own agenda.
    Free food does tend to encourage laziness. (edit) to a point (end edit)

    Granted. That intellectually honest for you?

    I understand my agenda very well. I am an accountant, with about 40 hours of graduate level finance and economics under my belt. If you were to ask my professors they would think rather highly of my ability to learn and understand the abstract concepts.

    I am comfortable with a percentage of welfare going to lazy s, *if* help gets to people who really need it.

    I dont' think that letting someone who got laid off or sick with no income starve to death with their kids is right.

    Costs weighed with benefits. Pretty simple.

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    Hypocrite much? I don't like seeing thousands of children have no future because their 17 y/o crackhead mothers and absentee fathers made a mistake. You don't like that either (your words), but are more than happy with the "oh well, happens--just throw more food stamps at them and encourage them."
    Thats just it, though. You might encourage laziness, but do you think that most people growing up in that environment think it is optimal?

    Quantify it.

    As noted before there is a wealth of data on the subject, economics, welfare, sociology, psychology.

    I don't think you have read any formal peer-reviewed papers on the subject. Have you?

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    Be back later, my Jimmy Johns order just arrived and it's high time I cruised by the Camillus House, roll my windows down, and slowly eat my sandwich in front of the bums.

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    Children who should've never been born ... Yeah, let 'em starve-
    I [save children by being a paramedic on] many pediatric critical care flights).
    Obviously none of them are poor. Otherwise, I'm sure you would throw them out of the helicopter. That'll show em for expecting all that free health care.

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    Most economists would disagree.

    Do you think allowing children to starve to death is moral?
    Every economist would agree those who can't afford children should not have them. I do not think it is moral to let children starve. I also don't think I have a moral obligation to pay for irresponsible people who birth these kids. Tough one for me but since I'm forced to I guess it's moot

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    Miami Children's Hospital Faces Severe Cuts in Senate Budget Plan

    One of the greatest issues facing the legislature this session is the potential for Medicaid
    cuts, more specifically the proposed cuts for the Low Income Pool (LIP) Program which
    Miami Children’s Hospital (MCH) receives. Miami Children’s stands to lose more than $5.4
    million with the proposed State Senate budget plan. Miami Children’s and other Florida
    medical facilities that treat the state’s neediest citizens and the uninsured are facing $209
    million in cuts this year. Furthermore, the Senate plan will forfeit $85 million in critical federal
    matching funding earmarked for the state’s health care safety net
    http://www.mch.com/newsEvents/pressD...rfriendly=true
    As a private, not-for-profit, charitable ins ution, Miami Children's Hospital cares for over 185,000 children each year, of whom 2/3 (Over 60%) are Medicaid beneficiaries. Initial analysis, based on the Senate proposal, shows that the MCH LIP Payment is projected to be reduced by $5,496,938 million which could hurt the hospital’s ability to care for the children of Florida. What this means for MCH is the potential for dramatic reduction in services.
    I guess if they starve to death we don't have to pay for their health care, right?

    Win/win for the oppressed rich people who have to pay higher taxes to prop up these lazy s.


    (rolls eyes)

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    Every economist would agree those who can't afford children should not have them. I do not think it is moral to let children starve. I also don't think I have a moral obligation to pay for irresponsible people who birth these kids. Tough one for me but since I'm forced to I guess it's moot
    What about the people who have money at the time, but lose their jobs?

    What about the people who have money at the time, but get sick/hurt?

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    your ipse dixit

    such imagery is deployed in the real world to create the psychological drive for more suffering
    So, you have a psychological study with data that shows this?
    Ipse dixit
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    The Roman politician Marcus Tullius Cicero coined the phrase Ipse dixit, which translates from the Latin as "He, himself, said it."
    Ipse dixit, Latin for "He, himself, said it," is a term used to identify and describe a sort of arbitrary dogmatic statement which the speaker expects the listener to accept as valid.[1] It is also called "the bare assertion fallacy."
    Ipse dixit denies that an issue is debatable. In other words, "that's just the way it is."

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    Obviously none of them are poor. Otherwise, I'm sure you would throw them out of the helicopter. That'll show em for expecting all that free health care.
    Don't work on choppers, just fixed-wing.

    Miami Children's Hospital Faces Severe Cuts in Senate Budget Plan



    http://www.mch.com/newsEvents/pressD...rfriendly=true


    I guess if they starve to death we don't have to pay for their health care, right?

    Win/win for the oppressed rich people who have to pay higher taxes to prop up these lazy s.


    (rolls eyes)
    I don't work at MCH you ing moron...I told you that just a few posts ago.

    Consider them collateral damage from all the irresponsible decisions their parent(s) made--but who can blame them when you encourage such behavior, right? Here's some food stamps, Section 8 housing, and a crackpipe. Don't bother working, just keep sticking your hand out and have a sad-puppy face.

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    Speaking of ipse dip ....

    I see that you quoted me in post #312.
    http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=1#post6950422



    If you're going to quote me and not show why I said what I said, the viewers can't make an informed choice on who to believe so here's the info even though it's off-topic here.
    http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144487

    You're using the tactics that sophists use.

    I see you're also talking about 9/11 so I'd better post that info too.
    http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144746


    Almost missed this one. I do owe him one. I had to look up the word sophist when he first used it. That came in handy.

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    Don't work on choppers, just fixed-wing.

    I don't work at MCH you ing moron...I told you that just a few posts ago.

    Consider them collateral damage from all the irresponsible decisions their parent(s) made--but who can blame them when you encourage such behavior, right? Here's some food stamps, Section 8 housing, and a crackpipe. Don't bother working, just keep sticking your hand out and have a sad-puppy face.
    I know you don't work there.

    They seem to think that poor children are worth saving. They devote hundreds of millions of dollars to it.

    What do you think the people you work with would say about your opinion of some of the kids you ferry around?

    I am sure that you have probably transported at least one welfare recipient in your career.

    FWIW:
    Your statement is a logical fallacy as well, not that I think you care much. Look up the definition of strawman.

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    Here's some food stamps, Section 8 housing, and a crackpipe.
    DRUG ADDICTION: A MEDICAL PROBLEM
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1253880/
    Am J Public Health Nations Health. 1963 January; 53(1): 127.

    Addiction Now Defined As Brain Disorder, Not Behavior Problem
    "At its core, addiction isn't just a social problem or a moral problem or a criminal problem. It's a brain problem whose behaviors manifest in all these other areas," said Dr. Michael Miller, past president of ASAM who oversaw the development of the new definition. "Many behaviors driven by addiction are real problems and sometimes criminal acts. But the disease is about brains, not drugs. It's about underlying neurology, not outward actions."
    I think the medical professionals who study this might take issue with that statement.

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    I know you don't work there.

    They seem to think that poor children are worth saving. They devote hundreds of millions of dollars to it.

    What do you think the people you work with would say about your opinion of some of the kids you ferry around?

    I am sure that you have probably transported at least one welfare recipient in your career.

    FWIW:
    Your statement is a logical fallacy as well, not that I think you care much. Look up the definition of strawman.
    Most of the kids I transported at that job were Medicaid ones. I helped them and was more than happy to do it. It's my job. Doesn't change the fact that the majority of those kids will have no chance in life and were products of irresponsibility. All I can do is hope poor people don't have kids--what else can I do?

    Also, do you just cry "strawman" with everyone on this forum that argues with you? Is that your rape whistle?

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    What about the people who have money at the time, but lose their jobs?

    What about the people who have money at the time, but get sick/hurt?
    Let's stick to the irresponsible people that we are forced to support please.

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    Let's stick to the irresponsible people that we are forced to support please.
    NO, it's much easier to exploit children to further the agenda

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    NO, it's much easier to exploit children to further the agenda
    Neither is a good representation. The demographic on the dole is predominantly the disabled and elderly.

    Logan's Run perhaps?

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    Logan's Run perhaps?
    No bueno, I just turned 30

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    I started the Miami Children's Hospital truck for our company
    So you attempt to help kids.
    But you would rather not help the minority kids, especially blacks.
    Correct?

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    Let's stick to the irresponsible people that we are forced to support please.
    you mean the investment bankers?

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    The demographic on the dole is predominantly the disabled and elderly.
    neither of which is giving birth to children they can't feed.

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    So you attempt to help kids.
    But you would rather not help the minority kids, especially blacks.
    Correct?
    Why do you even attempt to crowbar your transparent line of questioning into threads anymore? Serious question.

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    you mean the investment bankers?
    Completely off topic, but them too.

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