2013-2014 Heisman Watch

[Sisk]

this. VY was a much more patient and composed passer than JFF is. Vince always looked completely in control of his games and his team. Johnny is a master at creating plays out of nothing, about as good as you will ever see, but he doesn't seem nearly as controlled as Vince was. If you replace Vince with Johnny, Texas gets completely raped by USC in 2005.

How do you quantify composed?

[Phillip]

How do you quantify composed?

Do you truly believe Johnny is a better pocket passer in college than Vince was?

[Sisk]

Do you truly believe Johnny is a better pocket passer in college than Vince was?

Absolutely. The statistics overwhelmingly agree with me.

[Vito Corleone]

Absolutely. The statistics overwhelmingly agree with me.

Vince never needed to attempt many passes so the stats aren't really very telling. Texas was usually in control by half time and Vince was usually pulled well before the 4th Quarter. Manziel is averaging about 40-50 attempts per game, Vince averaged about 25-30 per game.

[The Reckoning]

vince was a man amongst men. i saw him in the big xii championship when they destroyed colorado by 70 something points. he was sitting on the bench drinking gatorade by halftime.

[Sisk]

Johnny hasn't sat a large number of quarters?

[Phillip]

Johnny hasn't sat a large number of quarters?

dont be stupid

[Michael Jordan.]

Christ Aggy is dumb.

[Sisk]

dont be stupid

Take your own advice. Johnny has sat through many quarters this year.

[Phillip]

Take your own advice. Johnny has sat through many quarters this year.

No one said he didn't.

But compare VYs big season, to JFF's year last season, and its clear that VY sat considerably more by the fact that there were over 120 less plays completed in which he either passed or ran.

[Sisk]

No one said he didn't.

But compare VYs big season, to JFF's year last season, and its clear that VY sat considerably more by the fact that there were over 120 less plays completed in which he either passed or ran.

Not to mention A&M runs one of the fastest pace offenses in the nation...

[pgardn]

As a Longhorns fan, you seem to be forgetting just how good Vince was in that championship season. I would say that Manziel is likely the more accurate passer, but Vince was a better open field runner and college player overall. Running the table with no let downs then beating one of the best college teams even on what is basically their home field is the stuff of legend.

Manziel is a very good player though and definitely one of the best to ever do it at the college level.

Vince was a God in that game and the Kansas game when it counted. But for gosh sakes Manziel in his first year came in and was fabulous. And he is better this year. I love football. Manziel is absolutely unique.

He is the Ali of college football. He thumbs his nose at all the good guy protocol and then backs it up on the field. The Aggies must play full out because their D stinks. He is the most valuable player in college football. Twice. If he does not win the Heisman it will be because of his off field antics in the summer and or because he has already won it.The best up to this point.

What I find so ironic is that if he played for Texas, the Aggies would despise him like no other. He is so NOT Aggie... It's a joy to see.

[pgardn]

Post less you will look smarter.

I watched almost every game Barry played in in 1989, I've never seen a runningback do anything close to what Barry did, take that back, the one guy who looked that good was a high school kid named Johnny Bailey when he played for Jack Yates in the mid-80's. Barry made everyone he played against look like children.

Making pros look like children is a lot more impressive than making slow college DB's look like fools.

You are the LAST person on this board who needs to judge others posts.

[Sisk]

What I find so ironic is that if he played for Texas, the Aggies would despise him like no other. He is so NOT Aggie... It's a joy to see.

Of course we would hate him. I don't wish anything but bad for the horns.

He is exactly what I've always wanted our program to have and has been needing for years. We needed a guy to come in and have an at ude and all out confidence... but to get a guy like Johnny is more than anyone could have hoped for.

[Phillip]

Not to mention A&M runs one of the fastest pace offenses in the nation...

Oh okay. I'm sure that is 100% the reason why. Absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Texas was completely dominating every team they played that season and was generally blowing teams out by the 3rd quarter, if not halftime.

Geez what's with the butthurt by you? oh, nvm lol aggy

[Sisk]

Oh okay. I'm sure that is 100% the reason why. Absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Texas was completely dominating every team they played that season and was generally blowing teams out by the 3rd quarter, if not halftime.

Geez what's with the butthurt by you? oh, nvm lol aggy

Facts = butthurt. Got it.

[DesignatedT]

What I find so ironic is that if he played for Texas, the Aggies would despise him like no other. He is so NOT Aggie... It's a joy to see.

but he does go to Texas A&M and he is an Aggie. Soooo

[Phillip]

you texas fans dont suck JFFs dry like i do so you are obviously delusional and have no clue what you are talking about

[Sisk]

41-13

[AFBlue]

I'm going to throw Petty into the mix. He's already top-3, but I could see him vaulting himself into the lead with a big game on Saturday.

Gaudy stats, no comp internally from Seastrunk, ESPN hype machine on Saturday, being the perceived "good guy" alternative to Winston and Manziel...all reasons I think he has a legit shot at it.

[Sisk]

He does. Especially if we only win 1 of the next 2 or lose both. What drives me crazy about Baylor is the fact that the team deserves a much better fan base.

An OSU source told The Oklahoman that Baylor did not request its full allotment of 3,800 tickets and then only sold about 700.

[pgardn]

but he does go to Texas A&M and he is an Aggie. Soooo

So you and Sisk show what true Aggiedom is. Hate Texas more than loving your own team. Texas fans can at least appreciate awesome football. Going to the SEC was the best move ever. The big hard Orange Sun still weighs on you though.

Can you imagine Texas fans actually rooting for the Aggies in the SEC? How about the other way around?
I think this is what distinguishes the two sets of fans. Little brother has left the house and is out on his own. But will always envy big brother.

On the other hand you have two chances to make Saturday the best day of the week; A Texas loss and an Aggie win. What has to be troubling is which would you rather have?

Please beat LSU. I would really like to see that.

[benefactor]

So you and Sisk show what true Aggiedom is. Hate Texas more than loving your own team. Texas fans can at least appreciate awesome football. Going to the SEC was the best move ever. The big hard Orange Sun still weighs on you though.

They will be sawing off horns until the end of time tbh.

[Bill_Brasky]

So you and Sisk show what true Aggiedom is. Hate Texas more than loving your own team. Texas fans can at least appreciate awesome football.

lol, yeah right. half of the posts in this thread are texasfan trying to diminish/deflect JFF's accomplishments and circlejerking Vince ( out of the NFL and trying to beg)

[symple19]

He does. Especially if we only win 1 of the next 2 or lose both. What drives me crazy about Baylor is the fact that the team deserves a much better fan base.

Takes more than a few seasons to change a culture. Briles is on the right track, though