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So you can't provide any examples of legislation that would come out of the house that won't because of the rule change? So it further pisses off the already intransigent republicans. How will this negatively impact the Democratic Party?
yeah i should have elaborated by saying he introduced it to Europe. hitler was a huge henry ford fan and got the idea from ford who introduced it in america first.
So you can't provide any examples of legislation that would come out of the house that won't because of the rule change? So it further pisses off the already intransigent republicans. How will this negatively impact the Democratic Party?
Explain how the political retribution you're referring to might take effect.
The Republican Senator M. McConnell said the main Republican thrust would be to defeat Obama in 2010. This was not accomplished. So what's left? Torpedo the Democratic Party so they don't get in 2014.
You out don't think it can get any worse? Take a look at the talks with Iran? Do you think the Republicans can have an effect on what might be a fruitful process?
He's going to attempt to do this regardless. You think that this parliamentary rule change will give Mitch ammunition?
Talks with Iran will be torpedoed in a bipartisan fashion if and when AIPAC overrules the will of the American public regardless of this rule change imo.
if they attack iran you know who i'm rooting for.
You're irrelevant tbh...
Good foreign policy accomplishments are possible given the fortunate change of leaders. Obama and Kerry have the possibility of making some great strides forward along with other countries. IMO torpedoing this could strip Obama of almost anything positive. IMO Republicans would not accept a complete surrender of Iran's nuclear ambitions, especially now. Yes, I think this mess leads to animosity that breeds retribution on many fronts. There are other similar events of a positive nature that will now have less of a chance. Yes, I believe revenge is a strong motivator. One up the other guy, makes the other guy very creative in countering unproductively.
Take a look at the stuff on this board.
keep telling yourself that sweetheart
I think the animosity and retribution of the Republican Party are at an 11. They're not handing Barry and Kerry any wins. They've made that clear from the day Barry was inaugurated and this rule change is not going to make a difference.
If you want to argue that this rule change makes it easier to change the rules for approving important legislation with a simple majority, which would ultimately negatively effect the Democratic Party, I'll entertain that, but I think that decision would be significantly more controversial than what was passed today.
Explain how you're relevant in any way shape or form.
I understand your argument.
I think the fact that the Democrats pushed the button first emboldens Republican destructiveness. You are saying it could not get any worse. So calling it the Nuclear Option was overdoing it. It was more breaking with tradition that needed changing anyway. I think the Republicans will say look what they did, we don't trust them on health care or anything else. Look what they have done, trump it up.
And we have run this aground. We will see. I very badly want the talks with Iran to move forward. We had one positive thing going, along with cooperation with Syria and Russia on chemical weapons.
For starters you're bothering me when I wasn't speaking to you, I'm obviously important to you. In the end I will be the most influential revolutionary this world has ever seen.
No butthurt to see, just a little faux outrage and then they went back to hammering Obamacare. Most republicans wanted this change under Bush and right now they are licking their chops thinking about 2014. Pretty weak attempt by the Dems to change the subject tbh.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/...er-record.htmlHow bad is GOP obstructionism in the Senate? Republican senators are on pace to more than triple the previous record for uses of a filibuster in a Congress. In 2009, there were a record 112 cloture votes (the number of cloture votes is how you measure the use of filibusters). So far in 2010, there have already been more than 40 cloture votes. The previous record was in 1995-1996, when the Republican-controlled Senate required 50 cloture votes.
Polls show they might have to wait until 2016 or longer...
"the animosity and retribution of the Republican Party are at an 11."
they have been there since 5 Nov 2008.
preceded by the VRWC funded witch hunting and non-stop harassment of Clintons 1992-2000, including Gingrich really getting the ball rollng with govt shutdown.
the bullying, bad-faith, obstructionist Repugs begged for this DEM RETRIBUTION for years, the Repugs got it shoved down their throats. Dems gonna own the DC circuit for decades, and Barry'd gonna install 90 NINETY Federal judges ASAP.
"the animosity and retribution of the Republican Party are at an 11."
and let's not forget the Repugs gutting, weakening, defunding LAWS passed since 2009, with the number one victim being ACA, where the healthcare.gov web site was underfunded, additional funds denied, and continuing, intensifying scorched-earth sabotage of the ACA to spite their own red-state Repug-voting ingnorant, poor, white rural bubbas.
Repugs' actions against Dems since 1992 are essentially saying that the Dems, Dem politicians, and laws are simply not legitimate, trying to deny and negate, totally insulting both democracy and voters, that "elections have consequences".
And you assholes talk about Repug retribution against Dems?
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What do you mean when? That's what we have right now. I'll answer your question, though. The House will flip in 14, that's what will happen.
You really think so? At this point it probably depends on how fast they can get Obamacare fixed and how many tens of millions of voters insurance goes up. I could see 2014 turning into a vote on Obamacare and if it was taken today I think Dems would lose big time in both houses.
And what are the republicans going to do with an up or down vote on presidential nominees in 2014 assuming they take the senate? Or are you suggesting they'll go ahead with the nuclear option on legislation approval with a simple majority and repeal the ACA? I'm sure Barry will be lining up to sign that...
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The house is way too gerrymandered to flip. Dems got blindsided and were completely unprepared for what the republicans did in the lead up to the redrawing of congressional districts in 2010. That is going to hurt them for a while.
Still, i don't know that the republicans can take the senate. Even with the ed rollout of the ACA.
TRMS laid out the Obama/Reid case very clearly......
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Last edited by boutons_deux; 11-22-2013 at 09:53 AM.
Statistically Republicans have a better chance of flipping the Senate than the Democrats do. There are 33 U.S. Senate seats up for election in 2014. Of those seats, 13 are currently held by Republicans and 20 are held by Democrats.
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