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"To anyone who believes that Lee Harvey Oswald assassinated John. F. Kennedy and/or that there was no conspiracy involved in his assassination, I implore you to watch this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJFzhbNd1EI) amazing new video from James Corbett. It's only a few minutes long. To those who do know the truth, you should also watch this. To anyone interested in learning the facts and truths about these topics, I suggest viewing the following link:
Exposed: The Facts and Truths Surrounding the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy
http://tradeoutthishatewithlove.word...ohn-f-kennedy/"
JFK: A Conspiracy Theory
These are two of the best JFK assassination forums where the serious researchers post:
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/in...?showforum=126
https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums...-Assassination
The Lance forum is still off line due to technical problems
thanks......bottom line on the Kennedy assassination is this....a lot of people wanted Kennedy gone.. rouge elements within the CIA that had friends captured and killed in the Bay of Pigs (most likely the shooters if in fact there was a bigger conspiracy)...the MIC, which was getting chopped off at the knees because they didn't get their war with Castro..and it looks like Kennedy was gonna let Vietnam go red too...besides, in order to pull of a conspiracy like the assassination of a sitting President you would have to have high level people in the military involved...at least some...the Secret Service....even the House Select Committee ruled that the SS didn't do its job right in protecting the President...Kennedy's motorcade should never had made the turn to Elm and been near the TBD...there should not have been open windows along the route...there should have been a SS agent sitting directly behind Kennedy that was left behind at the airport...These are two of the best JFK assassination forums where the serious researchers post:
That's the making of a good plan....every element does it's small job' so that no one element know too much about the plan or its main conspirators...
True, JFK made many enemies, but what politician doesn't? But in my view there had to be one tripping point to lite the assassination fuse, and one man to plan the assassination. That tripping point was when the CIA learned of Kennedy's back channel peace overtures to the Soviets and to Castro coming on the heels of Kennedy allowing Castro to stay in power and his hesitancy on getting involved in Vietnam. I think when CIA counter intel chief James Angelton discovered Kennedy's back channel peace overtures, Angelton thought he finally caught that mole he had sought for so long. John Newman, a former career intelligence man, believes Angelton was the general manager of the assassination and also was brilliantly deviant enough to insert the WW III virus in the assassination. Here is a summary:
John Newman, Oswald and the CIA (2008)
It is now apparent that the World War III pretext for a national security cover-up was built into the fabric of the plot to assassinate President Kennedy. The plot required that Oswald be maneuvered into place in Mexico City and his activities there carefully monitored, controlled, and, if necessary, embellished and choreographed. the plot required that, prior to 22 November, Oswald's profile at CIA HQS and the Mexico station be lowered; his 201 file had to be manipulated and restricted from incoming traffic on his Cuban activities. The plot required that, when the story from Mexico City arrived at HQS, its significance would not be understood by those responsible for reacting to it. Finally, the plot required that, on 22 November, Oswald's CIA files would establish his connection to Castro and the Kremlin.
The person who designed this plot had to have access to all of the information on Oswald at CIA HQS. The person who designed this plot had to have the authority to alter how information on Oswald was kept at CIA HQS. The person who designed this plot had the authority to alter how information on Oswald was kept at CIA HQS. The person who designed this plot had to have access to project TUMBLEWEED, the sensitive joint agency operation against the KGB assassin, Valery Kosikov. The person who designed this plot had the authority to instigate a counterintelligence operation in the Cuban affairs staff (SAS) at CIA HQS. In my view, there is only one person whose hands fit into these gloves: James Jesus Angleton, Chief of CIA's Counterintelligence Staff.
Angleton and his molehunters had always held Oswald's files very close to the vest - from the time of the young Marine's defection in October 1959 and his offer to provide classified radar information to the Soviets. That offer had lit up the counterintelligence circuits in Washington, D.C. like a Christmas tree. Angleton was the only person who knew - except for perhaps one of his direct subordinates - both the Cuban and Soviet parts of Oswald's story. He was the only one in the Counterintelligence Staff with enough authority to instigate a counterintelligence operation in the SAS against the FPCC.
In my view, whoever Oswald's direct handler or handlers were, we must now seriously consider the possibility that Angleton was probably their general manager. No one else in the Agency had the access, the authority, and the diabolically ingenious mind to manage this sophisticated plot. No one else had the means necessary to plant the WWIII virus in Oswald's files and keep it dormant for six weeks until the president's assassination. Whoever those who were ultimately responsible for the decision to kill Kennedy were, their reach extended into the national intelligence apparatus to such a degree that they could call upon a person who knew its inner secrets and workings so well that he could design a fail safe mechanism into the fabric of the plot. The only person who could ensure that a national security cover-up of an apparent counterintelligence nightmare was the head of counterintelligence.
JFK assassination: CIA and New York Times are still lying to us
Fifty years later, a complicit media still covers up for the security state. We need to reclaim our history
David Talbot
http://www.salon.com/2013/11/06/the_...what_happened/In the years following the Warren Report’s release, several of the commissioners and staff members distanced themselves from their own report and publicly criticized the manifold deceptions of the agencies on which they had relied, namely the FBI and CIA. Among those who suffered grave doubts was lawyer David Slawson, the man who had been the Warren Commission’s lead investigator into whether JFK was the victim of a conspiracy. In 1975 Slawson aired his criticisms to the New York Times, attacking the CIA for withholding vital information from the commission and calling for a new JFK investigation. Within days of the story breaking in the Times, Slawson received a strange and threatening phone call from James Angleton, the spectral CIA counterintelligence chief. Angleton – who had not only closely monitored Oswald for several years before Dallas, but later took charge of the agency’s investigation into the alleged assassin – adopted a decidedly sinister tone during his call with Slawson, making it clear to the lawyer that he would be wise to remain “a friend of the CIA.” Slawson and his wife were deeply unnerved by the call. He thought the message was clear: “Keep your mouth shut.”
After the assassination, CIA Director Helms appointed John Whitten to investigate the Agency's involvement. His initial reports were not favorable to the CIA so Angelton went to Helms and got Whitten taken off the project. Helms then appointed Angelton of all people to finish the investigation. Angelton conferred with William Sullivan of the FBI in giving scripted prepared ansers to the Warren Commission.
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/SSangleton.htm
Keep in mind a member of the Warren Commission selected by LBJ was Alan Dulles, the former CIA director who was fired by Kennedy after the Bay of Pigs disaster.
[QUOTE=Nbadan;6974992]JFK assassination: CIA and New York Times are still lying to us
Fifty years later, a complicit media still covers up for the security state. We need to reclaim our history
David Talbot
The New York Times and the rest of the mainstream media were all influenced and controlled by the CIA's Operation Mockingbird which targeted controlling the press.
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKmockingbird.htm
RFK Jr just wrote an insightful piece for the 11.20.13 edition of the Rolling Stone in which he refutes the current revisionist attempt by the media to portray JFK as a war hawk. In reading the piece one part shockingly stood out. RFK mnetioned that Khrushchev was using a KGB agent to for to communicate with the Kennedy's and this KGB agent went to RFK house many times. Whoa! I wonder what Angelton et al thought of a KGB agent metting with RFK many times at RFK's house?
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...peace-20131120
Khrushchev began an extraordinary secret correspondence with JFK. With the Berlin crisis moving toward nuclear Armageddon, Khrushchev turned to KGB agent Georgi Bolshakov, a top Soviet spy in Washington, to communicate directly with JFK. Bolshakov, to the horror of the U.S. State Department, was a friend of my parents and a frequent guest at our home. Bolshakov smuggled a letter, the first of 21 declassified in 1993, to JFK's press secretary, Pierre Salinger, in a folded newspaper. In it, Khrushchev expressed regret about Vienna and embraced JFK's proposal for a path to peace and disarmament.
Mr. Talbot has worked for more than two years on a book that I believe will shake the nation's financial and political establishment to its core. Here are Mr. Talbot's words, outlining why:
.http://www.duq.edu/events/jfk/speakers..I think what we're going to show over the next few years is that Allen Welsh Dulles was much more centrally involved in the assassination of President Kennedy, and its cover-up, than Lee Harvey Oswald.
Fifty years later, it's finally time to give the man his rightful place in history. In his day, Allen Dulles was America's most legendary spymaster, the longest-serving director of the CIA. He took great pleasure in regaling the public about his espionage triumphs. But, for obvious reasons, he could never take credit for his biggest and boldest covert operation:
the killing of the President of the United States in broad daylight on the streets of an American city.
I hope that my forthcoming book, which will be led "The Devil's Chessboard: Allen Dulles, JFK and the Epic Battle for America's Soul" will at long last give Mr. Dulles his due. As I say in my le of my remarks this morning, I believe Allen Dulles truly was the "Chairman of the Board of the Kennedy Assassination."
In September 1965, nearly two years after Kennedy was violently removed from office, Allen Dulles went for a stroll near his home in Georgetown with a young magazine editor named William Morris. The old spymaster, long since retired, struck Morris as an amiable, avuncular character until the name Kennedy suddenly came up in the conversation. Suddenly a dark cloud crossed the old man's brow.
"That little Kennedy," he spat out. "He thought he was a god."
Allen Dulles knew who the true overlords of American power were. (They were) men like him and his brother, not Jack and Bobby Kennedy. The Kennedys were mere upstarts in comparison to the Dulles family. The Dulles dynasty boasted diplomats and international bankers and three secretaries of state. The Kennedy clan, by comparison, was distinguished by saloon keepers and ward healers. When paterfamilias Joseph Kennedy was amassing his fortune as a movie mogul and stock gambler, Dulles and his older brother were running Wall Street from their perch at the world's largest law firm, Sullivan and Cromwell and creating a new global financial order.
During the Cold War, President Eisenhower outsourced the country's foreign policy to the Dulles Brothers, with Secretary of State John Foster Dulles serving as the architect of Washington's global crusade against communism, and Allen Dulles carrying out the darker chores of empire.
Soviet leader Nikita Krushchev who kept looking for a way out of the Cold War noose but found himself repeatedly checkmated by the Dulleses remarked at one point, "One shuddered at what great force was in the Dulles Brothers' hands."
The Dulles Brothers stood at the very apex of American power, straddling an elite network that connected Wall Street, Washington, big oil and international finance. John Foster Dulles was the ultimate counselor for that overworld that ruled the country's government and business, and his younger brother Allen was at privileged circles master of intrigue and subversion, its enforcer...
Mr. Talbot had a lot more to say about the Dulles Brothers, especially Allen Dulles as head of CIA. One of the most important things to remember, Dulles, even after he was out of office, continued to command the respect of people like James Jesus Angleton and Richard Helms, people he had promoted to their positions of power, and people who kept their knowledge of CIA assassination programs away from President Kennedy and the various government investigators who would later ask them about them.
Dulles and his brother are two of the main founders of the BFEE, a term Bartcop o denote the War Party affiliated with the right wing Wall Street crowd that infested Washington for much of the late 19th and 20th century. Allen Dulles was a good friend and business associate of Prescott Sheldon Bush, Sr.
During the Depression, they tried to overthrow FDR. Before and during World War II, they did business with Hitler. After the war, they imported NAZIs to help fight the commies and build up a case for the Military Industrial Complex. They've done a lot since, from Vietnam to Iraq.
I wonder what Chump thinks really happened to JFK
Duh...he thinks the Warren Commission was right and in the Lone-nut theory..
Now that confirms he's either very stubborn or a paid shill.
the video SA210 posted was good.
More plausible than the Dulles revenge theory tbh.
Same old Chumpy trying to pigeon hole this to just Dulles....Dulles may have played a key part of a larger conspiracy if, in fact, there was a larger conspiracy...what he was doing on the Warren Commission is ridiculous....
So you do embrace the Dulles revenge theory, in part or whole.
Yes or no?
Fifty years after the murder of JFK an important confession has materialized. Antonio Veciana, has acknowledged that his CIA handler in 1963 was also the same man he saw meeting with Oswald in September 1963. And that man was David Atlee Phillips. Veciana was the leader of Alpha 66, a group of anti-Castro Cubans operating out of Miami and funded by the CIA. Veciana had testified before the House Select Committee on Assassinations in the 1970s and said his CIA handler was a man named Maurice Bishop, which was the alias used by David Atlee Phillips. This now confirms what most JFK researchers have believed for years. And why is this important? Because it confirms that a CIA officer was also handling Oswald before the assassination. Phillips himself once said the assassination was likely carried out be a group of CIA officers. And he was one of them.
http://www.ctka.net/2013/veciana.html
If your really interested in Oswald's CIA connections there is a great online essay on the subject by film historian Joan Mellen...And why is this important? Because it confirms that a CIA officer was also handling Oswald before the assassination.
Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald?
by Joan Mellen
Professor Mellen does an outstanding job of helping us understand the Big Picture.....and while it ain't pretty......... we need to see it......
...Drawing on what we know as certain, the Oswald who is recognizable to us was born in New Orleans, and seems rarely to have been deprived of the company of others. Certainly, he was not a loner in Dallas where he was offered the friendship of CIA asset and so-called oil geologist (he had no degree in the subject) George de Mohrenschildt. De Mohrenschildt reported to the Domestic Contact Service (00) in Dallas on Haitian matters, the existing record shows. The quintessential unreliable narrator, a year before his death, de Mohrenschildt targeted Haroldson Lafayette Hunt as the sponsor of the Kennedy assassination. Coincidentally, H. L. Hunt was unique among Texas oil men in being a lifelong antagonist of the CIA, as has been his son, Nelson Bunker Hunt. It was, perhaps, de Mohrenschildt’s final Agency assignment.
.....Almost from the moment of his arrival in New Orleans from Texas in April 1963, Oswald sought the acquaintance of CIA and FBI assets. He attempted to infiltrate anti-Castro groups. By the time he was arrested on Canal Street in August, he was so well acquainted with the FBI field office that he told the officer interviewing him, Lieutenant Francis Martello of New Orleans police intelligence, “Call the FBI. Tell them you have Lee Oswald in custody.” It was a moment that Martello neglected to describe to the Warren Commission which he held in utter contempt until the end of his life, as former police intelligence officer Robert Buras, working for the House Select Committee, and a long-time Martello acquaintance, told me
....Supporting the conclusion that the CIA was behind the Kennedy assassination is the fact that in New Orleans Oswald associated only with people with intelligence connections, beginning with Arnesto Rodriguez, an FBI informant with family members rooted in the CIA’s clandestine services. Rodriguez was one of FBI Special Agent Warren de Brueys’ informants. One day Oswald appeared at Rodriguez’s office at the International Trade Mart building at 124 Camp Street. He wanted to help the Cubans, Oswald said. He wanted to be part of the training camps. Rodriguez was su ious. Who had sent Oswald to him? he wondered. How did Oswald know that there was “a training camp across the lake from us, north of Lake Pontchartrain?” It was top secret at the time, yet Oswald knew about it.
Pilot David Ferrie was a CIA asset whom Oswald knew from his youth in the Civil Air Patrol and with whom he renewed his acquaintance that summer. They were joined in their travels by Clay Shaw, a CIA operative whose activities were charted by at least five CIA components. The sources who observed Oswald with Shaw and Ferrie in those hamlets north of Baton Rouge are unimpeachable, and include Dr. Frank Silva, the medical director of the East Louisiana State Hospital at Jackson where Oswald applied for a job
...
its a great summary...and supported by Ex-CIA man James Wilcott who testified to Congress that Oswald was a CIA employee.
I'm not really surprised so few Americans know his story:
JAMES WILCOTT'S TESTIMONY
James B. Wilcott, a former CIA accountant, swore in a secret session of the House Select Committee on Assassinations that he was told by other CIA employees that Lee Harvey Oswald was paid by the CIA, and that money he himself had disbursed was for "Oswald or the Oswald project." The HSCA report indicated that other CIA employees discounted Wilcott's testimony, but none of their statements were included in the report. The do ent excerpted below was acquired by John Armstrong after his JFK Lancer NID97 presentation. Selected pages from the National Archives are presented graphically; the remainder, to preserve bandwidth, are excerpted typographically. A link to the complete text of Wilcott's testimony is provided near the bottom of this page.
EXECUTIVE SESSION
ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY
WEDNESDAY, MARCH 22, 1978
House of Representatives,
John F. Kennedy Subcommittee
of the Select Committee on
Assassinations,
Washington, D.C.
The testimony of James Wilcotts
TESTIMONY OF JAMES B. WILCOTT, A FORMER EMPLOYEE
OF THE CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY:
Mr. Goldsmith. For the record, would you please state your name and address and occupation?
Mr. Wilcott. My name is James B. Wilcott. My address is 2761 Atlantic Street, in Concord, and my occupation is electronic technician.
< . . . . >
Mr. Goldsmith. And, Mr. Wilcott, is it true that you are a former employee with the CIA and that you are here today testifying voluntarily without a subpoena?
Mr. Wilcott. Yes.
Mr. Goldsmith. During what years did you work for the CIA?
Mr. Wilcott. I worked from the years, May, of 1957 to, April, of 1966.
Mr. Goldsmith. And in what general capacity did you work with the CIA?
Mr. Wilcott. All in the finance--in accounting all of the time.
<. . . .>
Mr. Goldsmith. Drawing your attention to the period immediately after the assassination of President Kennedy, at that time, did you come across any information concerning Lee Harvey Oswald's relationship with the CIA?
Mr. Wilcott. Yes, I did.
Mr. Goldsmith. And will you tell the Committee what that relationship was?
Mr. Wilcott. Well, it was my understanding that Lee Harvey Oswald was an employee of the agency and was an agent of the agency.
Mr. Goldsmith. What do you mean by the term "agent?"
Mr. Wilcott. That he was a regular employee, receiving a full-time salary for agent work for doing CIA operational work.
Mr. Goldsmith. How did this information concerning Oswald first come to your attention?
Mr. Wilcott. The first time I heard about Oswald being connected in any way with CIA was the day after the Kennedy assassination.
Mr. Goldsmith. And how did that come to your attention?
Mr. Wilcott. Well, I was on day duty for the station. It was a guard-type function at the station, which I worked for overtime. There was a lot of excitement going on at the station after the Kennedy assassination.
Towards the end of my tour of duty, I heard certain things about Oswald somehow being connected with the agency, and I didn't really believe this when I heard it, and I thought it was absurd. Then, as time went on, I began to hear more things in that line.
Mr. Goldsmith. I think we had better go over that one more time. When, exactly, was the very first time that you heard or came across information that Oswald was an agent?
Mr. Wilcott. I heard references to it the day after the assassination.
Mr. Goldsmith. And who made these references to Oswald being an agent of the CIA?
Mr. Wilcott. I can't remember the exact persons. There was talk about it going on at the station, and several months following at the station.
Mr. Goldsmith. How many people made this reference to Oswald being an agent of the CIA?
Mr. Wilcott. At least--there was at least six or seven people, specifically, who said that they either knew or believed Oswald to be an agent of the CIA.
Mr. Goldsmith. Was Jerry Fox one of the people that made this allegation?
Mr. Wilcott. To the best of my recollection, yes.
Mr. Goldsmith. And who is Jerry Fox?
Mr. Wilcott. Jerry Fox was a Case Officer for his branch, the Soviet Russia Branch, Station, who purchased information from the Soviets.
Mr. Goldsmith. Mr. Wilcott, did I ask you to prepare a list of CIA Case Officers working at the Station in 1963?
Mr. Wilcott. Yes, you did.
<. . . .>
Mr. Goldsmith. At the time that this allegation first came to your attention, did you discuss it with anyone?
Mr. Wilcott. Oh, yes. I discussed it with my friends and the people that I was associating with socially.
Mr. Goldsmith. Who were your friends that you discussed this with?
Mr. Wilcott. George Breen, Ed Luck, and .
Mr. Goldsmith. Who was George Breen?
Mr. Wilcott. George Breen was a person in Registry, who was my closest friend while I was in .
Mr. Goldsmith. Was he a CIA employee?
Mr. Wilcott. Yes, he was.
Mr. Goldsmith. And would he corroborate your observation that Oswald was an agent?
Mr. Wilcott. I don't know.
Mr. Goldsmith. At the time that this allegation first came to your attention, did you learn the name of Oswald's Case Officer at the CIA?
Mr. Wilcott. No.
Mr. Goldsmith. Were there any other times during your stay with the CIA at Station that you came across information that Oswald had been a CIA agent?
Mr. Wilcott. Yes.
Mr. Goldsmith. When was that?
Mr. Wilcott. The specific incident was soon after the Kennedy assassination, where an agent, a Case Officer--I am sure it was a Case Officer--came up to my window to draw money, and he specifically said in the conversation that ensued, he specifically said, "Well, Jim, the money that I drew the last couple of weeks ago or so was money" either for the Oswald project or for Oswald.
Mr. Goldsmith. Do you remember the name of this Case Officer?
Mr. Wilcott. No, I don't.
Mr Goldsmith. Do you remember when specifically this conversation took place?
Mr. Wilcott. Not specifically, only generally.
Mr. Goldsmith. How many months after the assassination was this?
Mr. Wilcott. I think it must have been two or three omths after the assassination.
Mr. Goldsmith. And do you remember were this conversation took place?
Mr. Wilcott. It was right at my window, my disbursing cage window.
Mr. Goldsmith. Did you discuss this information with anyone?
Mr. Wilcott. Oh, yes.
Mr. Goldsmith. With whom?
Mr. Wilcott. Certainly with George Breen, the circle of social friends that we had.
Mr. Goldsmith. How do you spell last name?
Mr. Wilcott. (spelling).
<. . . .>
Mr. Goldsmith. Did this Case Officer tell you what Oswald's cryptonym was?
Mr. Wilcott. Yes, he mentioned the cryptonym specifically under which the money was drawn.
Mr. Goldsmith. And what did he tell you the cryptonym was?
Mr. Wilcott. I cannot remember.
Mr. Goldsmith. What was your response to this revelation as to what Oswald's cryptonym was? Did you write it down or do anything?
Mr. Wilcott. No; I think that I looked through my advance book--and I had a book where the advances on project were run, and I leafed through them, and I must have at least leafed through them to see if what he said was true.
CONTINUED...
SOURCE w TESTIMONY: http://home.wi.rr.com/harveyandlee/Wilcott/Wilcott.htm
The House Select Committee found evidence for conspiracy in the assassination of President Kennedy and recommended to the Justice Department that they re-open the investigation. The incoming Reagan Department of Justice didn't bother.
Many CIA employees came forward to attest that Oswald was CIA -- they were harassed/intimidated...and some near killed until they all shut up --Fifty years after the murder of JFK an important confession has materialized. Antonio Veciana, has acknowledged that his CIA handler in 1963 was also the same man he saw meeting with Oswald in September 1963. And that man was David Atlee Phillips. Veciana was the leader of Alpha 66, a group of anti-Castro Cubans operating out of Miami and funded by the CIA. Veciana had testified before the House Select Committee on Assassinations in the 1970s and said his CIA handler was a man named Maurice Bishop, which was the alias used by David Atlee Phillips. This now confirms what most JFK researchers have believed for years. And why is this important? Because it confirms that a CIA officer was also handling Oswald before the assassination. Phillips himself once said the assassination was likely carried out be a group of CIA officers. And he was one of them.
http://www.ctka.net/2013/veciana.html
There were no shortage of people vin Washington who pretty much knew many of the names by the night of the assassination --
interlocking powerful coup --
No one was going to risk their own lives/families to try to OPENLY pursue it --
Thank heavens for the many dedicated, brilliant private investigators who got the facts out to people who read --
David Atlee Phillips posed as a Liberal...In order to give cover to the right-wing coup that was the Kennedy Assassination...
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