The Amir package would be something like Bonner, CoJo and a first.
Possible to get creative in a 3 team deal
Bonner to Philly
CoJo to Toronto
Amir here
That option saves Toronto 5m a year, doesn't cost Philly anything(as they're below the minimum, they'd have to pay out money anyway) and we get Amir. Probably add a pick somewhere for the trouble(Or a Swap of our #1(27 or so) for a Philly/ Toronto #2(35-40), along the lines of Toronto gets the best, Philly gets 2nd best, We get the lowest, With our 2nd round pick to Philly, as it might not be an upgrade.)
the Gay trade definitely has increased the chance that Amis could be traded, especially considering the move as a tank move, like Marc Stein assumes. if they really want hometown boy Wiggins (of course they do), they need to tank a lot more consequent, than they did. Lowry allegedly is on the block as well. a Johnson/Lowry package should be interesting for quite some teams. (Spurs might be one of them)
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San Antonio Spurs :
SF Trevor Ariza
C K.Seraphin
Washington Wizards :
Matt Bonner
Danny Green
N.de Colo
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Yes - The Rudy Gay trade and articles afterward have confirmed what we have discussed. Not only are the Kings looking to make more moves (possibly trade Jason Thompson), but Toronto as well. They are looking to create as much cap room/flexibility as possible and moving guys like Amir/Lowry do that (although Lowry is expiring himself).
They don't appear to be asking much. Despite what many know/feel, Gay is considered the better player over Amir & they moved Gay without getting any picks. So if you want a guy like Amir, expiring deals should do the trick. If you offer a first rounder, you likely have a great shot.
I don't think expirings would be enough, Gay had a terrible contract that's why they only took expirings... Amir has a nice deal which make his value completely different. If you don't want to give picks I think you have to absorb the contract of one of Salmons, Hayes or Landry Fields to get Amir.
That's exactly what I was referring to ^
Gay is the better player (or at least widely considered to be) despite his flaws. Gays contract was not terrible at all in its current state mainly because it's just one more year & also because it's a player option (meaning it's a small chance he could opt out).
Amir's contract is good but not great. He makes decent money & it's longer years. If they are smart they will ask for a pick, but if the Gay trade is any indication, they likely won't require it. That doesn't mean they won't get a pick, just that it may not be needed.
Amir please!
Regarding Raptors, it's noteworthy that Landry Fields hasn't found back his jumpshot. He played 24 minutes this season and hasn't hit a single shot outside the paint.
Aside of the obvious Amir Johnson, Raptors have other interesting bigmen like Patrick Patterson or Hansbrough. John Salmons might also become an option if he is bought out by Toronto.
Edit: Amir only has one year left too. Thought it was an additional year. Def an easier contract to move than Gays bc it's not fully guaranteed either.
Jason Thompson is on the trading block.
Probably not Spurs related, but something interesting to note.
Lowry to Chicago and Cojo to Toronto (to give the fans something to cheer about in a tanking year) would make a lot of sense to me.
Not sure about the details...
Biggest issue with JT is his contract. It is horrendous.
As I said before, I'd target Kevin Seraphin. Not part of WAS's rotation (only 8 minutes/game) and could enjoy a better environment in SA with Parker/Diaw.
A package of Nando + Ayers or Baynes would probably be enough.
It's virtually a lock that Ujiri is going to make a few more moves, tbh, everybody here expects at least one more move before 2014..
The Gay trade actually makes the Raptors better, they'll still need to make subsequent moves to aid the tanking, tbh..Kyle Lowry is the next player that will be moved..outside of Lowry, the only Raptors player that helps them win and could be on the block is Amir, but his value is going to increase with more touches and better ball movement in the offense, unfortunately..
Ujiri is looking for a mid-range 1st round pick in the draft, apparently..
yes, that's the asking price and it's absolutely resonable. (just expiring contracts. yezz) AJ is a decent (and still young) big man with a contract, that get's you more production per $ than 80% of all big man contracts in the NBA. and at least 80% of the NBA GMs know this and at least one will be willing to offer a reasonable package. (those who call to offer only the expirings will just get a short get lost)
the problem for Ujiri: at this point a team that owns a likely mid range 1st rounder won't trade it, unless it's lottery protected (what makes it significantely less intriguing, considering the stacked draft). question is, how do they value a projected late 1st rounder (Spurs pick) plus additional baits. (can't say if CoJo is a bait for any team). what could this be? 2nd rounder (worthless), rights (at this point also worthless, b/c all qualified player are recovering from serious injuries). so, it will take a more attractive teaser. (Beli would be one, but sacrifice him might make the deal a step backwards). the only chance is to swallow a contract, namely Fields.
bottom line: the deal would be Amir+Fields+2nd rounder for Bonner+Green+CoJo+1st rounder
would I do it? yes.
Would the Kings be interested in a package of expireing contracts like Bonner and de Colo? Would the Spurs do it? Seems unlikely after the Thomas signing.
Looking for and ultimately getting are two very different things. It would be tough, despite Amir's solid play and decent contract to get a lottery pick. Even though he got a pick for Bargnani (which was incredible), the fact he didn't get one for Gay who's widely considered the better talent (over both Bargnani & Amir) is telling. They may be willing to just take cap space (losing Amir for expiring contracts opens 7M in cap space and helps tank).
If I am the Spurs, it's a no brainer to me to offer an expiring deal + their first rounder for Amir and in looking at the likelihood that someone offers a lottery pick for Amir, that should be more than enough.
Gay's contract was really not that bad. I am sure plenty of people still believe in Gay's ability and to just have to eat one year (and maybe not if he opts out) was not that hard to sell. IMO, while moving Gay was smart, TOR got the absolute bare minimum for Gay that they could (especially when you consider Bargnani netted them a first rounder).
In fact, if Gay does opt out, then SAC actually cleared more cap space than TOR did without getting any picks. If Gay somehow fits with Cousins then they have him for another year while making the playoffs. If he doesn't fit (worst case scenario) and doesn't opt out, then it's just one year and they have a salary floor they have to meet anyways and they gave up no real assets. Low risk, moderate to high reward.
Although it's a negligible factor, the Raptors would have more interest in Bonner and Joseph than any other team, tbh..
The Canadian media loves homegrown talent, Joseph would actually receive playing time and attention from the fans, tbh, and Bonner is already a fan favourite in the city..Raptors ownership values image and PR, especially in a potential tank season..
They are still weak assets, but at least they would have some appeal to the Raps..
I agree with DPG that they won't get a lottery pick for Johnson, I believe the only compe ion would be a middling playoff team that would be willing to make a deal for both Johnson and Lowry in an attempt to make a playoff run, tbh..
The thing with Lowry is they don't have to move him to clear any additional cap space. He comes off the books next year anyways. Plus, with his injury history, up & down play & the fact he'd be a potential "rental", I don't think they will get a great package for him.
How about this....
Bonner - Cojo - DeColo - and that Chinese guy that carries a clipboard in a 3 way trade for Lebron and Kevin Love?
I think if they can get a pick for either one, they will move them as long as the return package doesn't bring in salary beyond this year (or at least not more than would be there next year if they kept Amir/Lowry). If someone takes both, they probably have a better shot due to them likely being able to get a pick/better prospect. Lowry doesn't have to be moved, so they may elect to keep him because his value isn't great, but if they have decided he's not their PG for the near future, they will likely take anything for Lowry as long at it doesn't add $ to the books next year (unless it's for a young cheap player they really like).
But I would be all for the Spurs getting Amir+Lowry. Lowry would be an excellent back up PG (despite the Spurs having decent depth there, no one is so good that Lowry wouldn't be an upgrade) and obviously Amir would help a lot in theory. Lowry's contract is very Spurs plan friendly (he's off the books next season) and so is Amir's (just one more year at 7M, or can be waived for his 5M in guaranteed money).
If the Spurs could package their 1st rounder + a combo of expiring deals obviously they should do that. The question is the Spurs expiring deals will offer little to no upside (Spurs young players outside of Green/Kawhi who you shouldn't trade IMO have very little upside) so who can offer something similar with a player and/or pick that looks more promising?
Bonner and Green for Aaron Afflalo.
Major upgrade to Green and he is a two way player.
I think should target Kyle Lowry from the Raptors. A relatively inexpensive 6.5 mil expiring contract for a PG who can distribute the ball well and rebound. I would also like to take Amir Johnson from the Raps as well. If the Spurs can pull that off, they'll be set!
Overrated defensively and not the shooter Green is. I like him, though.
He is not one dimensional though and can actually put the ball on the floor. He is in his prime, can shoot, bring some tough overrated defense. If we get him for green and bonner we can beat anyone.
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