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From what I read it'd be a 3 team deal with Philly parting with Young. And probably getting some other team bad contracts with picks/young assets.
Morey's former assistant is the Philly GM, thus the rumors for players like Young and Hawes.
From what I read it'd be a 3 team deal with Philly parting with Young. And probably getting some other team bad contracts with picks/young assets.
I get that, but I just don't get rumors that don't make sense. I highly doubt there is no truth to the rumor and I am pretty convinced that PHI has interest in Asik and if that it the case, why?
Natural conclusion for the Philly rumours is that Morey and Hinkie are both adjusted +/- stats guys.
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Omer AsikOff/100
-0.8Def/100
5.4Total/100
4.5Possessions
9938.0
http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/2013.html
That's a roughly top 20 player by per possession stats. (17th last year) His defense is that valuable. That explains Hinkie's interest. People may fairly rate him lower than that(Davis and Drummond in particular have improved and passed him), but Asik can't drop too far.
That stat also explains why the Rockets would be interested in Millsap, but the Hawks won't give him up (Millsap is + 5.4/100p).
If the Sixers indeed are looking to dump Young and/or Hawes in a trade for Asik and the Rockets are not keen on adding Young, I think the Spurs can step in. (By the way the reason why the Rockets wouldn't want to add Young is his contract which will prevent them from extending Parsons).
A trade of this kind:
Sixers: IN- Asik, De Colo, Ayres; OUT - Hawes, Young
Rockets: IN - Hawes, Bonner, Phillies Second Round pick 2014
Spurs: IN - Young; Out - Bonner, De Colo, Ayres
Who says no?
Both of the other teams. They could each do a work around to not involve Young, or send him to another team for better assets.
Philly is an interesting trade partner for a lot of teams. They're so far under the cap that a bit of extra money doesn't cost them anything, so deals with extra money going to Philly can save money on net for teams involved
A CoJo + 1st to Toronto, Amir Johnson here, Bonner and TOR 2nd to Philly trade works. Saving Toronto $5m and having them get a ~ 10 spot upgrade in the draft is a decent return.
Masai probably says no(Got to figure their stats guys love Amir, and Masai listens to them a bit more than Colangelo did) and Hinkie waits as he might get better assets later when more teams are out of the playoff picture.
Still doesn't make sense to me. Despite what we all know about the ability to track defensive impact better than ever, the same problem that Dwight/Asik presented, Asik/Noel will present. I highly doubt that, despite what the stats say about Dwight & Asik individually, that people don't see the issue with that pairing. It only stands to reason that if you put Asik next to another Dwight-type player (limited ability outside of the paint) that it won't work.
I don't think Philly want Asik, I think they'd be a partner in a 3 teams trade and would provide Hawes or Young.
That said Noel is so far away from being ready that they could really use Asik if they weren't so concerned about being as bad as they can...
Good morning DPG.
There are lots of reasons why many of these rumors don't seem to make sense, but I think there are two primary explanations.
1. They don't appear to make any sense because they really don't make any sense. Most of the rumors we get from the blogs and twitter are pure BS. They're either complete speculation with no foundation in fact or they're the result of some agent planting a story. We see this every summer with threads that go on for dozens of pages and result in nothing. Then we get posters confused as to why the Spurs didn't do X, Y, or Z. Well, in most cases those weren't ever real options to begin with.
2. We lack some critical piece of information. In this example, Asik/Noel seems to create the same problems as Asik/Howard. What if Philly wants Noel to be a different type of offensive player than Howard? This article suggests that this may be the case: http://www.csnphilly.com/basketball-...velopment-shot
In any event, I think it's really hard to get a good handle on what a team like Philly is trying to do.
Very true Mel & I've considered those things definitely. I also think that some teams just make bad moves & often time with hindsight you see their logic was just terrible.
The Kings are reportedly ready to send third-year point guard Isiah Thomas, rookie shooting guard Ben McLemore, shooting guard Marcos Thornton, power forward Jason Thompson, and two future first-round picks to the Celtics for Rondo.
Where you see that?
what is that site?
No idea, I just googled it. Initially saw the rumor on twitter.
I think the Kings are a little too far behind the eight ball to make the playoffs this season. So it didn't seem like a good deal to me. However, of the move means they move Williams to the four, I like it. Dunno who'd pay the two, however.
That is an odd rumor tbh because of what Chinook said, but in all honesty it makes some sense for both teams. It would be quite a haul for BOS to get two first rounders plus some actual decent young prospects. If SAC believes that this year or even next year is the time to go for it, getting a vet proven player to be the 3rd member of a big 3 could be useful if the goal is the playoffs. However, that is a steep price to pay for Rondo who's coming off of injury in addition to his limitations as a player. Not to mention the Rondo/Cousins in the same locker room.
Rondo, Gay, and Cousins as a Big 3? Good luck with that.
I get that he's an advanced stats monster, but wow, what a ing baby. He gets to the point where he can't emotionally play? WTF?
Is there any chance Josh Howard will get picked up somewhere? Maybe even us and then dropping Ayres like a bad habit?
Isn't he signed to a two year deal? Would just mean dead money on the books for next season. Doubt they'd do that though at this point having (1) made the investment and (2) already having Malcolm Thomas on board.
Send Orlando our first + Green for Jameer and Harkless. Jameer is done but the backup PG is back to the ty 3 PG rotation.
Would be gr8 to get nelson but if he were cut tho
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