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    Cojo + Mills + 2014 first for Greivis Vasquez

    Spurs need to rest TP while still hunting for fist seed so in my book it's worth the rental, especially since Vasquez would be a fan favorite and an upgrade defensively at 6"6. Mills doesn't work against Reggie Jackson, he's having a great season but it feels like he's carried by the only two players that came back better this year in Manu and Boris... Cojo goes to Canada where he's gonna be a fan favorite backing up Lowry.

    Then something like Splitter + Bonner for Boozer + Snell or a 3 teams trade if the Bulls don't want Tiago


    Duncan Boozer
    Diaw M.Thomas
    Kawhi Snell
    Green Manu/Marco
    TP Vasquez

    Gets more length for perimeter defense with Vasquez and Snell and better low post scoring. Ridiculously complicated with too many players involved but that would basically be my ideal scenario.
    I am not trying to put a damper on your enthusiasm. I appreciate you love basketball and at least try to talk basketball. So I mean this with all due respect: This is a terrible idea.

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    Lol no problem, I'm just fully convinced that Splitter is RJeff 2.0, maybe it's unfair, maybe I'm wrong. But right now I'm in full panic, I see another double digit extension for a player who cant create his shot and is as soft as they come...

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    True, but this is the new NBA. Guys like Tiago and Asik are worth their money on teams that contend. Splitter does so many other things offensively well (screen, pass, draw fouls...) that he can still be a big plus on that end. This has happened before with Splitter. He starts playing unreal then gets an injury and it takes a while for him to regain form. I for one think this team is a bit of a paper tiger, but having said that they still possess some of the biggest upside in the league. That's just speaking about improvement from within. Plenty of guys not playing very well that have shown the ability to play much better.

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    Not to mention that no one as currently constructed is dominant in the West. Spurs, even as currently constructed/playing, can beat any of those teams and would be the favorite in several series. , there are only two teams (HOU/POR) that pose any real match up issues at the moment.

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    Not to mention that no one as currently constructed is dominant in the West. Spurs, even as currently constructed/playing, can beat any of those teams and would be the favorite in several series. , there are only two teams (HOU/POR) that pose any real match up issues at the moment.
    I see 3 elite small ball teams in OKc, Houston and Miami and one elite big team in Indiana.

    The Tiagologists will focus on Indiana and "advanced stats". I know. Me I just see a broken first unit with spacing issues... It's also like the Finals where Tiago couldn't provide any rest for Duncan never happened, I just hear that Tiago carries Duncan somehow.. .

    But maybe the most troubling thing is that not only the Spurs like that skillset so much that they gave him that big extension but they also signed another big with the same offense that simply consists of running around in Ayers...

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    So in the West, you only see two teams that worry you in OKC/HOU. What are the odds the Spurs have to beat 1 of them to get to the WCF/Finals? Both? Tiago was fine and is still improving. Many guys from the Heat series should be better. You see a broken first unit, but that same unit worked last year to the tune of 25 seconds from a le. Things always look worse when guys aren't playing well, but that's my point about the upside of this team. Even without improvement over last year, several guys on this team (TP/Kawhi/Danny) have room just to get back to last years form which would go a long way to improving what you are worried about.

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    Any significant roster changes at this point would probably end up doing more harm than good. The Spurs are what they are and they proved last season that if everyone is at their best that this team is good enough to win it all. The Spurs first need to stay atop the west while avoiding any serious injuries (which they are currently accomplishing *knock on wood*) and then once March and April get here they can begin to start to really worry about getting all their guys in a good rhythm for the upcoming playoff run. Guys struggling right now really isn't that big of a deal. While the Spurs certainly aren't a perfect team on paper (sure they could use another defender, more athleticism, etc.) adding a significant piece like that could ultimately end up screwing up the Spurs only advantage that they hold over every other NBA team; which is familiarity and chemistry.

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    Agreed overall. They don't need a star, but I do believe they need another higher end role player to really cement themselves on paper.

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    Any significant roster changes at this point would probably end up doing more harm than good. The Spurs are what they are and they proved last season that if everyone is at their best that this team is good enough to win it all. The Spurs first need to stay atop the west while avoiding any serious injuries (which they are currently accomplishing *knock on wood*) and then once March and April get here they can begin to start to really worry about getting all their guys in a good rhythm for the upcoming playoff run. Guys struggling right now really isn't that big of a deal. While the Spurs certainly aren't a perfect team on paper (sure they could use another defender, more athleticism, etc.) adding a significant piece like that could ultimately end up screwing up the Spurs only advantage that they hold over every other NBA team; which is familiarity and chemistry.
    . But how is team chemistry an advantage specific to the spurs?? Okc, Miami, and Indy have been around just as long. I don't think we have that over any of those teams anymore...

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    . But how is team chemistry an advantage specific to the spurs?? Okc, Miami, and Indy have been around just as long. I don't think we have that over any of those teams anymore...
    OKC, MIA, and IND have been around together since the summer of 2002? Because that's when TT&M connected.

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    Are the Kings still trying to trade Jimmer? They know he's a free agent this summer, so they'll trade him cheap. We could get him for just De Colo, Cojo, or the rights to Thomas.

    It just made me sick when the Kings drafted Jimmer. The Kings owner wanted him, but the coaching staff didn't. He never really got a chance. The Kings are just a dumbass organization. Selfish black guys everywhere on that team. Jimmer never had a chance to get significant playing time. Those black guys weren't going to let the little white guy college superstar come in and steal their spotlight. They'd rather lose every game than let a white guy come in and show them all up.

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    OKC, MIA, and IND have been around together since the summer of 2002? Because that's when TT&M connected.
    So team chemistry won us les ever since 2002? Team chemistry was enough to get us past the lakers in 08? They had just got gasol and didn't have chemistry with him yet. What about okc in 12? Or Miami last year?

    All im saying is that team chemistry is important, but at some point it's diminishing returns and other teams eventually catch up. That's when talent is more important

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    So team chemistry won us les ever since 2002? Team chemistry was enough to get us past the lakers in 08? They had just got gasol and didn't have chemistry with him yet. What about okc in 12? Or Miami last year?

    All im saying is that team chemistry is important, but at some point it's diminishing returns and other teams eventually catch up. That's when talent is more important
    All those teams you listed had a once in a lifetime player playing during their prime. When you put a bunch of capable, but mediocre talent together on one roster, chemistry then becomes a huge importance... see: brooklyn nets.

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    Are the Kings still trying to trade Jimmer? They know he's a free agent this summer, so they'll trade him cheap. We could get him for just De Colo, Cojo, or the rights to Thomas.

    It just made me sick when the Kings drafted Jimmer. The Kings owner wanted him, but the coaching staff didn't. He never really got a chance. The Kings are just a dumbass organization. Selfish black guys everywhere on that team. Jimmer never had a chance to get significant playing time. Those black guys weren't going to let the little white guy college superstar come in and steal their spotlight. They'd rather lose every game than let a white guy come in and show them all up.
    Not sure if serious

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    All those teams you listed had a once in a lifetime player playing during their prime. When you put a bunch of capable, but mediocre talent together on one roster, chemistry then becomes a huge importance... see: brooklyn nets.
    Sure it's important but is it enough to get it done and win a le? I'm just not convinced. The last "team" to win was Detroit nearly 10 years ago.

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    Don't know if someone mentioned this already but the Clippers and Heat are apparently intererested in Andrew Bynum.

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    Yep meanwhile the spurs do nothing while our rivals get better.

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    BTW, a trade that would make an awful lot of sense is Deng for Bynum + pick with Bulls waiving Bynum jsut after the trade.

    Bulls will save a lot of luxury tax money and Cavs will get the SF they are desperately looking for.
    Yup, $20 million acc to ESPN's Brian Windhorst, in savings for the Bulls.

    But Bynum. What an asshole.

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    Yep meanwhile the spurs do nothing while our rivals get better.
    Heat are apparently attempting to complete their collection of crippled centers.

    Andrew Bynum is apparently apathetic and disinterested in playing basketball on a contract that could pay him $24M over two years. How much effort do you think anyone will get out of him for the minimum after he is cut?

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    Update to an link I posted earlier about Knicks being interested in Parker in 2015.

    Parker says he is willing to stay but wants an extension.

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...ants-extension

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    wish we could get to k-pap to backup kawhi

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    I am really expecting the league to allow some kind of lopsided trade to make a big market team more compe ive.

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    Barbosa looked chubs and too slow... imo. Pass.

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