Where does the Admiral place in the all-time rankings?

[Phenomanul]

I guess I should also point out the table in my sig as an argument in David's favor...

[tholdren]

I think an argument could be made for top 10 for centers and top 30 overall. If he had played longer or been more selfish his numbers might be a bit better but that is not what seemed to drive him. If he could have won the championship in 1994 or 1995 before TD he would also move up on the list.

No particular order but I would put the following centers in front of Big Dave:

1. Lou Alcindor
2. Wilt
3. Hakeem
4. Russell
5. Shaq
6. Moses Malone

Then probably David

This is ridiculous. David is the 4th best player in NBA HISTORY - ALL TIME - in PER. = MJ/LEBRON/Shaq/David/Wilt

AND

Second in WS per 48... second to Mike by .0003

It is no stretch to argue him as the greatest ALL AROUND C of all time.

[tmtcsc]

I feel that this line isn't getting the credit it deserves.

Thanks txstr1986, much appreciated. I thought it was pretty good too.

[Skull-1]

Right about the time Tim was on the same team with Michael, Barkley, Larry, Pippen, Malone and Stockton.

Ehhh!! Sorry Hans wrong guess.

[DMC]

Ehhh!! Sorry Hans wrong guess.

^this is your brain on drugs... any questions?

[TheyCallMePro]

Well just on the Spurs it's...

1) Ginobili
2) Duncan
3) Parker
4) D-Rob
5) Bowen

All-time...? How about the last 20 years...where at least I was alive.

1) Lebron
2) Jordan
3) Kobe
4) Shaq
5) Ginobili
6) Duncan
7) Parker
8) Wade
9) Dirk
10) Durant
11) Westbrook
12) Paul...

And on and on. Why do you all have this great opinion of D-Rob? What did he accomplish without Duncan? Nothing. And the Spurs weren't even an elite team with D-Rob...there's at least 15 players in the last 20 years better than him. All time there would be too many to count.

[TheGoldStandard]

He was a dreamer, a thinker, a speculative philosopher... or, as his wife would have it, an idiot.

[jimbo]

Fleeing the team: Same deal with LeBron except he was worse than LeBron. He goes to Miami to join with all stars artificially. The ring isn't seen as being as valuble as a guy who stuck it out with a team, built up normally, then won. That's why Jordan's 6 are seen as so impressive. He never fled to another team, he stuck it out and built up, toiling through the bad seasons before he started winning. The ring KG got doesn't mean as much as guys who stuck it out like DRob did, like Dirk did. I see no reason to continue arguing this since it's kinda obvious.

holy , we're living in 2014 and people are still making this argument



what a world we live in

[polandprzem]

You cannot rank them because their body of work isn't complete. You can suggest that, if they retired right now, they would be ranked however, but their entire career needs to be considered. Do you think a player can lose spots in the ranking if their career suddenly takes a turn for the worse? What if Tim Duncan decided to keep playing and really stunk it up out there, costing his team games? Do you average that in with his prime years or do you just ignore it and focus on his prime? If it's his prime, I have no problem counting active players.

There's active ranking and all time ranking. I don't agree with putting active players on all time lists. I think there's time after they retire for that, when their entire body of work can be examined. That's because otherwise their rankings change on a year to year basis, or day to day, or even play to play. That's pointless.

Well rankings are gonna change regardless.

Evey ranking is different from a person to person from year to year

[Johnny RIngo]

LOL at he overrating of Shaq and Pau by spur fans some of Im sure Kobe has something to do with that.
Simmons list is pretty good. I would flip flop Duncan and Kobe but I do agree that it is close. And have said that repeatedly.
To say that it is not close is crazy no matter which side of the debate you are on. Kobe is not miles better than tim as Kool would say but No way Duncan is way better than Kobe either.
Shaq because he is funny and was so dominant inside many on here ignore the number of time he has been swept. and the fact that considering his size and the way he dominated in the Finals that he should of been a better rebounder and shot blocker. Great player definitely a top 5 all-time center and above David but so overrated on spurstalk and LG.

And yes I get Kobe is overrated plenty of places too ...

I don't think Pau is overrated tbh. All is see is Laker fans ting all over him. If he gets praised by Spurfan, it's probably to balance out all the undeserved criticism he gets from his own fanbase.

And, if you want to be objective, Pau Gasol has had a much more impressive career than Parker or Ginobili. I would put him right behind Dirk on a list of the best international players of all-time.

[DMC]

Well rankings are gonna change regardless.

Evey ranking is different from a person to person from year to year

Then it's pointless.

[polandprzem]

right now - everything is pointless to me ...

[Skull-1]

^this is your brain on drugs... any questions?

This from the guy who claims David won a bronze at the Olympics with Duncan?

Remind me to never ask you a rhetorical question as that requires you to know the obvious.

He earned a Bronze when? Rhetorical question.

Right about the time Tim was on the same team with Michael, Barkley, Larry, Pippen, Malone and Stockton.

Ehhhh! Sorry Hans wrong guess. Would you like to go for Double Jeopardy where the scores can really change?

[Skull-1]

Well just on the Spurs it's...

1) Ginobili
2) Duncan
3) Parker
4) D-Rob
5) Bowen

All-time...? How about the last 20 years...where at least I was alive.

1) Lebron
2) Jordan
3) Kobe
4) Shaq
5) Ginobili
6) Duncan
7) Parker
8) Wade
9) Dirk
10) Durant
11) Westbrook
12) Paul...

And on and on. Why do you all have this great opinion of D-Rob? What did he accomplish without Duncan? Nothing. And the Spurs weren't even an elite team with D-Rob...there's at least 15 players in the last 20 years better than him. All time there would be too many to count.

Ginoibili? Put down the crack pipe!

I give your troll 1/10.

[Horse]

Dave would sh-t all over Wade. The guy was a freak of nature. A man that big who could move like he did. His defense was stifling, too, which people forget. The Spurs are the Spurs because of Robinson. He set the tone for a dynasty that has been awesome for two decades.

He had quite a bit of help from the refs in 06. Hate to say it but dallas got screwed.

[DMC]

This from the guy who claims David won a bronze at the Olympics with Duncan?

Remind me to never ask you a rhetorical question as that requires you to know the obvious.









Ehhhh! Sorry Hans wrong guess. Would you like to go for Double Jeopardy where the scores can really change?

I never made such a claim.

[Skull-1]

I never made such a claim.

Here it is for ya'.

He earned a Bronze when? Rhetorical question.

Right about the time Tim was on the same team with Michael, Barkley, Larry, Pippen, Malone and Stockton.

Wait for the backpedal.

[gnsf0946]

Skull you obviously don't understand the metaphor DMC used....

[Skull-1]

Skull you obviously don't understand the metaphor DMC used....

No, he doesn't understand Dave's greatness, dismissing his two gold medals as party favors...

So I refer you yet again to my rhetorical question. Dave earned a bronze, when?

Unlike Tim, who threw his hands up and pouted into the night after earning bronze, Dave came back and won two gold medals with a vengeance. And people say Dave lacked compe ive fire. Lmao!

[hooperflash]

[DMC]

Here it is for ya'.









Wait for the backpedal.

Tim was never on that team.

[DMC]

No, he doesn't understand Dave's greatness, dismissing his two gold medals as party favors...

So I refer you yet again to my rhetorical question. Dave earned a bronze, when?

Unlike Tim, who threw his hands up and pouted into the night after earning bronze, Dave came back and won two gold medals with a vengeance. And people say Dave lacked compe ive fire. Lmao!

Dave did lack compe ive fire. He won the bronze before he entered the NBA. Dave was very talented, super athletic and genetically gifted. He did not have the "nasty" that coach Pop talks about. He never did. Tim didn't either, but Tim has moves and skills far superior to Dave's and Tim plays the game on a mental level that totally psychologically destroys the less intelligent matchups, who often have greater athleticism. Dave relied on his athleticism more than his wit. If Tim had Dave's athleticism, he'd probably never developed the fundamental skills he has, but if he could do both, he's maybe the best the game has ever seen.

[Chomag]

Dave did lack compe ive fire. He won the bronze before he entered the NBA. Dave was very talented, super athletic and genetically gifted. He did not have the "nasty" that coach Pop talks about. He never did. Tim didn't either, but Tim has moves and skills far superior to Dave's and Tim plays the game on a mental level that totally psychologically destroys the less intelligent matchups, who often have greater athleticism. Dave relied on his athleticism more than his wit. If Tim had Dave's athleticism, he'd probably never developed the fundamental skills he has, but if he could do both, he's maybe the best the game has ever seen.

I do agree but not taking Dave's high BB IQ away from him. He was no Timmy but he still was a very smart player.

[Skull-1]

Dave did lack compe ive fire. He won the bronze before he entered the NBA. Dave was very talented, super athletic and genetically gifted. He did not have the "nasty" that coach Pop talks about. He never did. Tim didn't either, but Tim has moves and skills far superior to Dave's and Tim plays the game on a mental level that totally psychologically destroys the less intelligent matchups, who often have greater athleticism. Dave relied on his athleticism more than his wit. If Tim had Dave's athleticism, he'd probably never developed the fundamental skills he has, but if he could do both, he's maybe the best the game has ever seen.

Look. Someone discovered Wikipedia. How cute.

[Skull-1]

Tim was never on that team.

Duh. Tim won a bronze surrounded by pros just like those you listed. Dave was the best player on a team stacked with them, having medaled as an amateur previously. Tim quit.