Manu will probably be out tonight. Not sure that means a trade is imminent.
Link of who is shooting against him and this stat.
I dont see him here http://www.basketball-reference.com/...tg_active.html
We have 3 players in the top 20 Defensive Rating - Tim, Leonard, Green
We have 2 in the top 20 in defensive WS - Tim, Kawhi
Hes nowhere to be found on rebounding/blocks/steals.... but you know who is... Dejuan Blair....
Tiago is overhyped. He's a decent role player, but he's not even worth starting over Tim or Diaw. For what we paid him he should be somewhere on some list, other than popping up on message boards by posters praising his signing. Fact of the matter is, no matter how you try to slice it, Splitter was overhyped and has under-performed. with the defense SA is getting from Tim and the wings, playing C in a whack ass league for big men, he's easy to hide.
Manu will probably be out tonight. Not sure that means a trade is imminent.
Are you saying Blair is a good defender?
In Comparison to Splitter Yes. Blair is an exceptional rebounder, which has to do with defense. He has the best hands of any C in the league when it comes to deflections and steals. His issue is that he is Manu on defense. Due to his height, he has to get creative and gamble. Some people love it, some people hate it (manu's balls-to-the-wall offensive philosophy). The nay-sayers will call out his out-of-position and lack of height any time he misses a steal, or gets beat in the post, but those same people will never acknowledge that he deflected the pass that Parker picked up (and is TP is credited for the steal).
I already posted how Blair and Splitter compare at the C position, and statistically blair is better. When compared at the PF position Tiago is better.
Splitter is on a defensive minded team, and still is the 4-5 best defender on the team, even though defense is why we signed him. His career d rating is 101 just like Blairs. Blair is on the Mavs, they are mediocre team defense, but Blair still is rated at 102, which is the best on the team.... Tiago is hyped and paid more than he should be.
We've gone over this ad nauseum. DRtg is not a good stat to evaluate actual defense. It approxmiates that by using blocks, steals and rebounds along with team DRtg. It's not really that reliable. Splitter leads the team in only allowing .97 PPP. Even if you don't believe me, his DRtg is still very good, just a point behind Rubio.
I think we'd all like to see more from Splitter as far as stats are concerned. But you're looking at Splitter at his worst with Duncan killing spacing and trying to act like that's his normal. It's like saying Green is a terrible shooter by looking at his recent games.
The thing that can be so maddening with Splitter is that when the playoffs come along he becomes a matchup liability sooner our later. There's no reason a starter getting $9 million/year like Splitter should be riding the bench in the Finals. Lebron's block on him in game 2 destroyed his confidence for the remainder of the Finals. If the NBA was still a league of dominant big men he would be perfect, but those days are long gone.
OK, thanks.
lol @ blair being a better defender than splitter
and talk bout crybabys tbh...
...from the guy that wants to trade for Carl^ from the guy who thinks Green is more likely to be moved than Splitter
How about this : I'll ban myself from upstair and not just the trade thread if Green gets traded before Splitter. And if they do ship Splitter somewhere I'll just enjoy seeing you backpedaling all butthurt...
You are one of the dumbest posters this site has ever seen. Seriously. No trolling.
Hopefully this isn't related to Manu's injury status.
$7.7 million this season and next season. currently shooting 41% & 30% from the field and from 3.His p.e.r is 8.5. he can defend but is severely overpaid.
Are you on crack? Cory has a better chance of being out of the league than taking Patty's minutes. Bonner? He'll give you NOTHING in the playoffs. He's very expendable
I see what you did there...
He's already taking them. Pop keeps giving him chances regardless of your opinion on him. It's quite likely that he, Parker and a rookie are the PGs next year and Mills is making Neal money elsewhere.
Wow. Our quality of posters seems to be taking a serious nosedive.
Stop looking at D RATINGS and all that crap all the time to prove who is what and just watch a game and actually see what he does on D or doesn't DO. These ratings are like PER trying to prove someone is an all star or the meaningless +/- crap at times, doesn't show nearly the whole.
The problem isn't the stats. It's the fact that most people don't understand the math behind each stat, and so they can't put them in context. It's like looking at PPG but ignoring FG%.
Most front offices beg to differ with you. Nearly everyone is going to the new advanced stats. It took about 10 years for it to become ubiquitous in MLB, but I don't imagine that it will take that long in the NBA.
You can't use the eye test. By the eye test, Rudy Gay looks like a great player, but advanced stats expose him as a fraud. Memphis had their best two playoff runs without him, and Toronto has gone on a absolute tear after trading him.
Advanced stats expose both efficiencies and inefficencies on both offense and defense. If you utilize the efficient and discard the inefficient, your team will maximize it's potential. The more you use it, the bigger the overall gap between the efficient and the inefficient becomes.
There's nothing else to look for other than D ratings. The splitter crowd claims his prowess on defense, obviously they can't see, and the only way to prove is by tossing the stats out for evidence. If I say, Splitter cant defend nearly good enough to justify his contract, then have no basis for this other than my own opinion, there is no way to prove the claim. Similarly, in a refute you can't/shouldn't just type the equivalent of "you're wrong cause I say so." There has to be some evidence, and sometimes stats are a way to justify the concept.
I can agree to from your above post, is that +/- and D ratings are not as good as watching the game. There are so much more that players do on the court that make more of an impact than anything a stat could show. Plays that change momentum are worth more than a three-pointer, and sometimes worth giving up a few points for.
Not to mention he can't rebound anymore either given his knees are shot.
I'm a big fan of advanced stats, tbh, but you can't forget it's just a tool, no more, no less... it's no end-all, be-all...
For your argument about Gay (which I agree with), I would counter with the Grizzlies team in general, which bet heavily on advanced stats by hiring the poster boy for them, and have made dubious decisions at best (Prince when they needed outside shooting, Mike Miller to try to eventually address that without any semblance of success, letting go the coach that elevated them to the best season in franchise history, etc)...
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