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Spacing isn't a myth.
Bonner has balked at more 3's this season than I can remember
Spacing isn't a myth.
Prove it and bring up his playoff stats as a spur.
It really depends on who starts and who comes off the bench.
Diaw starts and Splitter comes off the bench. I'd assume the Spurs would play Leonard with the second unit a bit more as the 4 with Splitter in as the rim protector and rebounder.
Splitter starts and Diaw off the bench. Diaw can't play backup center (he isn't a great rebounder and isn't a rim protector). Ayers would play backup center.
It really depends on who starts. But against OKC , GSW & Houston we'd close games out with small ball.
Dunleavy definitely makes since. Not know for his defense but is big enough to hopefully bother opposing small forwards for a few minutes. Gives us more length overall. If we trade for him, the Spurs would have a wing rotation consisting of players who are 6'6, 6'5 & 6'7, 6'9. Last season it was 6'6, 6'4, 6'7, 6'2. More size generally helps.
His ablity to move without the ball ,and put it on the floor a bit, would be a nice fit. Would help bolster our bench with Manu and possibly Beli and Diaw back off the bench come playoff time.
You prove that it is a myth. Just because he hasn't been great in the playoffs doesn't mean I would rather have Baynes over him.
Yeah Dunleavy would basically be a bigger version of Beli, still would like someone with more of a defensive presence. He would add another good FT shooter you could have late in games.
Spacing isn't necessarily about how many points he scores. PFs are forced out of their comfort zone and have to, at the very least, step out to about 18 feet to be in the range to contest a potential shot.
Last playoff. Bonner was +8 per 100 possessions. The Spurs were better with him on the floor 112.3 per 100 possessions when he was on the floor compared to the 107.7 without him.
Its downright laughable how a player who has averaged about 13 mpg over the past 33 post season games (dating back to 2012) is criticized so harshly when most stats show just how effective he can be in limited doses.
Balked meaning he is passing up shots or missing 3's?
either way Bonner is attempt 3's (per 36 minutes) at the 3rd highest clip of his career. He is also on pace to have his best 3pt % of his career (47%)
He just hasn't been used this sporadically in his time in San Antonio. 11 mpg thus far.
I agree. Baynes has intrigue but Bonner has a unique skill set that most teams would kill for. Bonner certainly played well in last seasons playoffs. We got to the Finals. Baynes couldn't have contributed nearly as much in amount of playing time.
List some younger SF/small ball PF trade targets:
1. Maurice Harkless
Older:
1. Dunleavy
2. Caron Butler
Random:
1. Travis Outlaw
You admit he hasn't been great in the playoffs so the burden of proof for the myth you're perpetuating falls on you.
Its been said but Butler will prolly be bought out. No reason to trade for him.
True but right now he wouldn't be able to sign with us, since we have 15 players.
Last playoff. Bonner was +8 per 100 possessions. The Spurs were better with him on the floor 112.3 per 100 possessions when he was on the floor compared to the 107.7 without him.
Its downright laughable how a player who has averaged about 13 mpg over the past 33 post season games (dating back to 2012) is criticized so harshly when most stats show just how effective he can be in limited doses.
IMO De Colo will more than likely be traded by the deadline even if it's for a second round pick. If not then the FO has no plans to add to the roster and is comfortable with what they have already.
Bonner is what he is. He actually contributed in the playoffs last year. He was key in the Lakers and Grizzlies series.
He's obviously going to be outmatched against athletic teams like the Warriors and the Heat.
The playoff choking label should have died down a little bit. Play Bonner in the right matchup and he will show up.
He played the best he'd ever played in the playoffs but it isn't saying much is it? He wasn't a vital reason we reached the finals either and if you think otherwise, I have a piece of land I'd like to sell you. And about the finals, he was a total non factor and with good reason: he ing sucks.
You take Bonner out of the Lakers and grizzlies series and we still sweep both teams. My main point is that people put the er on a pedestal like he's some kind of indispensable talent that we'd be lost without and I find that absurd. The guy has like a thousand get of jail passes.
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That being said, I do think Bonner isn't going to be around next month. Baynes and De Colo too.
Dunleavy would be a decent pick up. The Spurs could always shore up its 3 pt shooting. Leonard seems to have regressed in 3's this year, Bonner shouldn't be in the rotation, Diaw isn't shooting 3's well either, and Marco has always been a streaky shooter. The rest of the Spurs that are around 40% in 3 pt shooting probably won't get significant minutes in the playoffs. That just leaves Ginobili (we all know how streaky he can be) and Green, who is injured. It's not his shooting hand but the injury is on one of his hands nevertheless. Might affect him when he returns. Dunleavy would also be a real small forward to back up Leonard.
But I'm still convinced the Spurs need to upgrade defensively. Their offense isn't championship level because they lack the superstar scorer but it's too late now. Pop made the decision to retain the big 3 hierarchy in the off season and he'll have to live with the consequences. Parker will inevitably get shut down again in the playoffs and Manu and Duncan will be too old to carry the team through an entire series. The Spurs' only hope is to shore up its defense and try to win it 2004 Pistons style. They should just look for the best wing defender available and make a hard run at him. Then at least the Spurs can shut down the other team's offense as well and turn the game into a coin flip slugfest.
Possibly. I'm only saying that Bonner contributed for once in the postseason last year so to say he is completely useless isn't fair. I'm also not saying he's untouchable and should stick around, but he does have a skillset that could be valuable if used correctly. And he's good insurance in case Diaw ever goes down, albeit a downgrade. The problem with Bonner's past postseason performances is that he was playing minutes as the 3rd big and sometimes even as the 2nd big. He should be in the 5th big role like he is now. He's more comfortable and will have less pressure and he did well last season.
He's not going to be helpful against small ball teams, but he is much better suited for slow, big man dominant teams.
Sound argument, man. I was mainly reacting to a couple other posters who think it's sacrilege to talk bad about the almighty Bonner, lol.
Diaw is Duncans backup. Bonner's role for the past 2 seasons has been a change of pace player. There is no argurment to be made that doesn't play his role well.
Last post season his D-rating was 104 compared to his O-rating of 131 net positive of +27.I think we're done here....
So You blame him just to blame him and undermine him contributions when he does contribute? He contributed in the Lakers and Memphis series. The GSW and Heat series were small ball oriented. Splitter barely logged 20 mpg in those series and he was our starting Center.
He is a role player. Not a star. Role players contribute on a run to a le. Stars carry a team game after game. One night Green may get hot another maybe Neal (last season) or Bonner.
He played little minutes for once last year in the playoffs outside of a good matchup for him, the result back to the finals and should have won it. I see that first and foremost. he is good in a limited role and against certain teams, otherwise it's good he sits out like he did some series last year like the Warriors and Heat. In the past Pop would have overplayed him with disasterous results in those series. He is what he is.YES he played his role well when used right in the right series! The other years Pop would overplay him in a bad matchup were a joke! I am glad he has played his role well the last few years. He hardly played in the playoffs last year and only in special situations, thats where he belongs (His role last year was perfect for him). He can play in some series vs slower teams like some have said, if you are playing the Warriors or Heat etc. with quick wing players he is a joke.Diaw is Duncans backup. Bonner's role for the past 2 seasons has been a change of pace player. There is no argurment to be made that doesn't play his role well.
Last post season his D-rating was 104 compared to his O-rating of 131 net positive of +27.
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