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i dont understand the desire to add a perimeter player with lousy defense.
I've never even seen much of Dunleavy. The only times I've ever seen him play is games against the Spurs, and he been kinda average in most of those games.
If his defense is anything like Beli's, then I don't want anything to do with him. I'm OK with Beli for now, but he really needs to start showing some improvement on the defensive end, and soon.
I'm used to Bruce Bowen level defense. If you're an average defender when you get to the Spurs and don't improve your defense, then I'll jump on you very quickly for it. For example, I gave Roger Mason Jr. a pass the first couple of months of his first season here, but after he showed no improvement on the defensive end and actually started getting worse, I had pretty much had it with him. Lots of people still didn't realize that you won't get anywhere without decent defense and still backed him going into the playoffs. You all know how those playoffs turned out. Roger Mason Jr. was absolute garbage, while Bruce Bowen was one of the only guys that series to play with any heart. You gotta play defense or you don't win . All I want is maximum effort on the defensive end. If Dunleavy is a poor defender, then I really don't want him or anyone similar on the team. If he has some defensive potential and is willing to bust his ass on that end of the court then I would be OK with giving him a shot if the Spurs could get him cheaply.
i dont understand the desire to add a perimeter player with lousy defense.
It doesn't matter who they add. Not breaking news, but if the big 3 don't play up to their full capabilities, a trade won't matter. So many players are underacheiving this year.
Yep that's a fair point, but if doing a trade - I think that we need defense over offense. Both on the perimeter and the interior.
The only reason to take an offensive creator type of player is if people think that none of the big 3 can step up and carry the load offensively in the playoffs.
The best defender "available" is clearly MKG but you can hardly add him without getting rid of one of Splitter or Kawhi since he doesn't shoot the 3...
Bonner, De Colo, Baynes for Channing Frye.
I posted a brief highlight of him on the last page. he seems to move well without the ball. A good shooter and can put the ball on the floor a bit. Also 6'9. Put him in the rotation with Manu, Beli, Splitter/Diaw playing along side him off the bench and he could be a nice addition.
I would also look at net ratings before making a judgement on players defense (O-Rating minus D-rating) A player may not be great defensively but his offensive still makes him a net positive player. In other words his offense more than makes up for his defensive short comings. Thats not necessarily true for Dunleavy but for Belinelli and Mills it is, this season at least. Basketball reference has that sort of stuff. Interest stats for every Spur.
Would Noah from the Bulls fit into the system....that would be another big man?
Noah for Splitter + Green +A 1st rounder
Bulls save almost $4 million next season (minus the cost of the 1st rounders salary)
Bulls save $5.7 million in salary in the 15-16 season.
They would have 4 1st rounders this draft.
That's deal won't happen but i'd assume that would be, about the asking price from Chicago to get the deal done.
Could he fit into the system? probably not. Our starting lineup has had trouble with spacing with Duncan and Splitter this season.
-Leonard and Green haven't shot the ball well or been able to get open to shoot enough
-Parker hasn't been quite as good as last season.
-Duncan's midrange game has struggled.
Last edited by cd021; 01-22-2014 at 08:47 AM.
Both spacing and defense are obviously important. Spurs don't necessarily have huge margin in both areas so getting a player that will significantly hurt either might not be a good idea.
Another question regarding a potential acquisition is if it should be more a SF or a PF. A SF would make sense if Spurs think that they will play a lot of small ball with Kawhi at PF in the playoffs. A PF would make sense if Spurs think they can stay big most of the time and if they don't trust Ayres and Bonner to play some minutes in the playoffs.You quite had to look at each playoffs matchups to know what is the biggest need.
The Spurs will draft, trade for, or sign another SF/PF in about 2 to 3 seasons. That's about how long it takes them to tackle a team need. Any signing that happens this season might seem to be counter intuitive based on what we need for now.
To to get either Noah or Taj Gibson would be so huge for us.
Noah though...he has the sort of tenacity and compe iveness that would propel us to a whole other level
This summer resign Boris starting at $4m, give someone a 2nd rounder to take Joseph off our hands, throw $6-7m at Marion. Perfect backup/mentor for Kawhi.
Chicago would need way, way more to give up Noah. He's the heart and soul of that team defence.
Also, how about overpaying for Sefelosha as a backup ($6m?) to keep him off the Thunder?
Spurs might have to start looking for another SF
time to activate that "unusually aggressive" trade search
--edit. wrong fred
Ya - spurs need to get a back up SF. Critical now.
They can only go so far with him. He is a very good player but getting a above average big and a rotation player in Green (who is another very good defender and a great 3pt shooter) also a pick in the 27-30 range (would be their 4th 1st rounder in this upcoming draft, if Cleveland and Charlottes pick is 13th or worse.
Also they'd be saving money over the next couple of seasons, allowing them more room to sign other free agents.
Diaw's going to get rewarded with a paycut?
I'd be surprised if he wasn't out until the Allstar break.
STARTERS MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB DREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF +/- PTS Taj Gibson, PF 43 11-15 0-0 4-6 1 4 5 2 1 3 0 3 +13 26 Mike Dunleavy, SF
39 9-14 4-5 0-0 0 2 2 4 1 0 1 3 +19 22
BENCH MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB DREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF +/- PTS Khris Middleton, PF 18 3-5 2-3 2-2 0 1 1 3 3 0 2 2 +13 10 Caron Butler, SF 21 9-15 2-7 2-2 1 2 3 3 1 0 0 1 +9 22
Our three best defenders are now all out for at least 3 weeks.
Do you think a trade is necessary? Or do you think our line-up is just fine?
I agree it might be a tough sell for Boris, but I'm not sure how much interest he'll get. Everyone else in the league should be nervous throwing money at him, look at what happened in Charlotte.
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