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Wow...bummer because I don't think a trade is happening any time soon, especially after that Ken Berger report came out that the team was pursuing one.
Damn, one of the better posts I've read in this forum.
Wow...bummer because I don't think a trade is happening any time soon, especially after that Ken Berger report came out that the team was pursuing one.
He's a cheap project that potentially fills a need if we don't resign Boris next year.
That would be strange foresight considering the team didn't futureproof any other moves this off-season.
I consider it an opportunity that presented itself and RC and Pop probably looked at the writing on the wall, he's a cheap consolation if we can't secure Diaw or a legit replacement. Not a lot of stretch 4's in the league that can be had for cheap
A trade isn't going to fix everything that's broken. It'll just add to false hope and misery. The Spurs played over their heads for the entire season last year. Then RC completely and thoroughly crapped his pants this offseason pretty much sealing the Spurs fait. When that loser of a GM finally realizes the importance of filling team needs and not going out there and half assing it with a bunch of foreigners and long term projects with little to no experience, maybe he'll understand why he's so lousy at his job. This is RC Bufords send off to Tim Duncan..... PATHETIC!!!
Spurs are not really an attractive place to play, the success the team has had with talent has either been thru the draft and then they are indoctrinated to the Spurs culture which ruins them for other teams or they get guys who needed a second chance and fill a role but nothing outside of that. Spurs also don't have a lot of money to play with like some of these teams who are willing to bludgeon themselves in luxury tax money.
For people who think that we're the only team who gets lit up by mediocre-average players...watch the Indy-Phoenix game. Gerald ing Green had 18 points by halftime against the #1 defensive team in the NBA. Goes to show you, it happens...
It's a good thing Indy won't face Phoenix in the playoffs.
Green's been great this season. He's finally getting open shots. He would have been a better add than Beli, especially since the Spurs would also have gotten a pick back.
Starting to warm up to Baam 's idea of trading for Wallace if the Celtics are willing to pay enough for someone to take him. He's a good player who's massively overpaid. But who cares about that, really? He'd make the playoff rotation and can do a little bit of everything. He could even move over and start at the four for the last season of his contract when Tim and Manu leave.
I wouldn't do it straight up, but Bonner, De Colo and one of Beli or Joseph for Wallace and two firsts wouldn't be all that bad.
Wallace? Don't need that Albatross
Why not? What would it be preventing?
Apparently you haven't watched Wallace play in about two years, since that was the last time he was a "good player". Not only that, but he'd be a terrible fit.
The obvious trade is De Colo, Bonner and if necessary, something minor, like a 2nd, for Marvin Williams.
Too much money, doesn't hit the 3 well, doesn't hit FT's well and his DRtg isn't that great especially in comparison to his ORtg
Ya, I'd be concerned that Gerald Wallace hasn't looked like a decent player in 2 years, tbh..
If he were that good, he wouldn't have been traded thrice since 2011. I would prefer taking a risks (while getting assets) on Wallace than standing pat. But my order of preference is still to make a small trade, try out D-leaguers until buyouts (foreign and domestic), develop Thomas and Joseph, make a huge trade, then doing nothing.
I was the man screaming to trade Jack all last season as to not waste the Spurs' best asset in years. I simply don't believe in wasting trade chips.
2015 cap space > Gerald Wallace.
Spurs don't make major trades, they might sign someone in the off season to combat this situation for the following season but more than likely if they do that it won't be a sexy pick, it'll be some D League scrub or foreign guy. Spurs have a history of addressing problems that they've had in the past two years too late and then they over do it. Since 2008 the Spurs needed a legit big, didn't bring Splitter over until 2010 and didn't get meaningful minutes until 2012. Needed a legit wing for some time and didn't really address that till Kawhi came along after the failed bit with RJ, have needed a true backup PG for some time, still waiting for that too happen.
Not too much. Acquiring his contract would leave us with 10 players and $61 million in salary. Assuming Baynes cheap contract is picked up. Mills and Diaw are really the only Free agents (aside from Thomas) off. There wouldn't be too much roster turnover. If we resign all 3 plus actually draft and sign our draftee, the Spurs would have 14 roster spots.They should be able to stay under the luxury tax.
Exactly. Although Baynes is an Arenas FA and Thomas has an "option". You're correct otherwise.
Bruno, I agree with you in theory, but I have two rebuttals.
The Celtics agree with your assessment (in this scenario), which is why they'd pay in picks to gain the cap space. The entire point of having cap space is to use in wisely. Buying two picks isn't a horrible use for it. Also consider that the team may not even have cap space after re-signing everyone. You were one of the folks arguing to keep Jack to get 2013 cap space. How did that work out?
Wallace would be a huge expiring in 2015. So he'd probably have even more value than he does now. He may also revive his career in SA, raising his value more. It could be a similar situation as Seattle had with Kurt Thomas a few years ago. They ended up getting three firsts by acquiring then trading him. That's how small-markets use cap space to rebuild, not by hoping players sign there.
Washington is so loaded on the wing that Singleton, Vesely and most surprisingly Otto Porter can't get minutes. The former two seem to be available for a matching expiring and a token sweetener. De Colo for Singleton and Bonner for Vesely have been proposed before. But Porter is interesting. Ariza is expiring and probably won't be re-signed. But he is starting and playing well, averaging 14/6/3 in 35 minutes. His (and Beal's) backup is Martell Webster, who's putting up 12/9/2 in 31 minutes. Beal is putting up 17/4/3 in 33 minutes. If the Wizards decide to keep Ariza, there's no room for Porter. But if they want develop Porter, Ariza will probably be moved very soon, as his value is really high.
Bottom line, I see D.C. moving at least one over Porter, Ariza, Vesely or Singleton within the next one. That's a huge situation to watch.
Spurs should have way more cap space in 2015 than 2013. The key or whether or not Spurs should take past 2015 contracts is if they plan to reload or rebuild.
If they want to reload, getting as much capspace as possible to go after biggest FAs will be a priority. Taking Wallace contract would be very prejudicial in that case.
If they want to rebuild, there will have some tanking years and Wallace contract won't really be an issue.
Regarding the SF issue, trade isn't the only option.
An easy choice will be to cut an end of the bench player with a n expiring contract (Baynes, De Colo or Thomas) and then sign a player. It could be a vet or a D-League player. In the D-League, the best SF seems to be clearly Ebanks.
Travis Outlaw? He does not play a lot, he is long, athletic, can defend and can hit the three. Bonner for Travis would work.
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