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    Need to start thinking about draft picks and not so much trades. Nobody is coming to san Antonio to play under pop unless they can't get a sniff by other teams and live in the d league or if they have outlived there usefulness on another team
    This, need to trade for picks...

    Beli, Splitter and Mills should be on the block with the expirings, their value is low in the POs since they only play one end... Picks and better balance is what they should go for... The Spurs need two way players so badly and the best way to find them is in the draft...

    Wallace + picks for Splitter
    JR Smith for Beli + Bonner

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    This, need to trade for picks...

    Beli, Splitter and Mills should be on the block with the expirings, their value is low in the POs since they only play one end... Picks and better balance is what they should go for... The Spurs need two way players so badly and the best way to find them is in the draft...

    Wallace + picks for Splitter
    JR Smith for Beli + Bonner
    Seriously? Picks should not be what the Spurs are going after. There will be plenty of time to get high picks once Duncan retires. You don't throw away the rest of Duncan's career for "picks".

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    I will say this - I think that getting another solid defensive player is very important, especially at SF but also PF too. However, if the Spurs have a shot to land an offensive creator, especially one that can create for himself, I would be in favor of that too.

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    Wallace + picks for Splitter
    Gerald Wallace?

    I thought you wanted two-way players.

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    The problem is offense, 5 straight brick equals 10 easy points for the Heat. What has Spoelstra been saying these past few games for the Heat? He said our offense will help our defense. Think about that for a second and it starts to make sense. Sure, our offense looks great against scrub teams, but when we play upper tier teams our lack of individual talents is a glaring hole.

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    Gerald Wallace?

    I thought you wanted two-way players.
    Well the bulk of the minutes would go to Smith but we get picks and I believe Wallace can be a decent small ball option...

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    Deculo on the team is lol when they have a greater need

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    Seriously? Picks should not be what the Spurs are going after. There will be plenty of time to get high picks once Duncan retires. You don't throw away the rest of Duncan's career for "picks".
    Front office has already done a great job of throwing away the rest of Duncan's career. We had holes in the off season that would have helped the team now and we didn't address them, instead we got Project Ayres and nobody to fill in the SF backup role. In the Finals and against really good teams we lack a 2nd scorer who can create there own shot, still don't have that either.

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    Well the bulk of the minutes would go to Smith but we get picks and I believe Wallace can be a decent small ball option...
    Doesn't seem compelling enough to break the trading tall for small rule.

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    Beli is not untouchable nor a huge net positive IMO. He's very useful in the right role, so I am not advocating losing him. However, Manu is a guy that could stand to lose minutes if his trajectory remains (much like last year). Also, I am operating under the assumption that Spurs will have plenty of series where they can play small ball with Kawhi at PF.

    Point is, even if there aren't a lot of traditional minutes available, the Spurs really lack a 2nd scorer who can create/get to the rim.
    Ideas on who to target? Honestly, I can't see any two-guard being helpful. Maybe a good scoring point guard like Sessions. Mo Williams woulf have been a better get than Beli, in my opinion, then the team could have tried for a defensive three to round out the rotation.

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    Front office has already done a great job of throwing away the rest of Duncan's career. We had holes in the off season that would have helped the team now and we didn't address them, instead we got Project Ayres and nobody to fill in the SF backup role. In the Finals and against really good teams we lack a 2nd scorer who can create there own shot, still don't have that either.
    I agree that some of the moves during the off-season were very questionable. On the bright side, we do have assets to pick up another piece heading into the postseason.

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    There's not a lot of options out there right now. Teams like the Wizard and Raptors are thinking playoffs, Ariza and Johnson aren't getting traded.
    Is it time to gamble on a player like Smith?

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    Ideas on who to target? Honestly, I can't see any two-guard being helpful. Maybe a good scoring point guard like Sessions. Mo Williams woulf have been a better get than Beli, in my opinion, then the team could have tried for a defensive three to round out the rotation.
    Not anyone that makes sense when start factoring in money that I can think of. Even without money, the guys available seemingly are questionable (Eric Gordon, Tyreke Evans, JR Smith..)

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    I agree that some of the moves during the off-season were very questionable. On the bright side, we do have assets to pick up another piece heading into the postseason.
    Ideally I don't see a 2nd piece coming in at the deadline past the halfway point of the season that will contribute in the Playoffs, not that they can't but Pop won't give them much burn. He'll simply play them solid minutes to finish out the season and then he'll bench them in the playoffs for no reason to go with regular rotations, like Ayres.

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    Ideally I don't see a 2nd piece coming in at the deadline past the halfway point of the season that will contribute in the Playoffs, not that they can't but Pop won't give them much burn. He'll simply play them solid minutes to finish out the season and then he'll bench them in the playoffs for no reason to go with regular rotations, like Ayres.
    If Ayres is still in the rotation once the playoffs roll around, the Spurs FO messed up. I hope they recognize that Ayres is nothing special and has never proven to be a solid rotational player in the NBA, let alone, the playoffs.

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    If Ayres is still in the rotation once the playoffs roll around, the Spurs FO messed up. I hope they recognize that Ayres is nothing special and has never proven to be a solid rotational player in the NBA, let alone, the playoffs.
    I don't see any other way around it unless they're going to play Kawhi at the 4 for a good portion of the rotations.. Duncan and Tiago and Diaw with Ayres there to spell both Duncan and Tiago.. The Spurs don't recognize anything until after the fact and by then it's usually too late to correct anything.

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    I don't see any other way around it unless they're going to play Kawhi at the 4 for a good portion of the rotations.. Duncan and Tiago and Diaw with Ayres there to spell both Duncan and Tiago.. The Spurs don't recognize anything until after the fact and by then it's usually too late to correct anything.
    I hope not. The major flaw in Ayres game is that when he is paired up with Ginobili, he makes way too many mistakes. Ginobili prides himself in hitting the big man for easy shots around the basket but Ayres doesn't have the hands nor the awareness to run the floor with him. It could be argued that Blair is an upgrade over Ayres. Gulp.

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    I hope not. The major flaw in Ayres game is that when he is paired up with Ginobili, he makes way too many mistakes. Ginobili prides himself in hitting the big man for easy shots around the basket but Ayres doesn't have the hands nor the awareness to run the floor with him. It could be argued that Blair is an upgrade over Ayres. Gulp.
    Only alternative to spell minutes would be Bonner or Baynes and we know that Bonner will come before Baynes. Again I see more small ball but at the same time I see our smalls getting tired and overworked.

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    Its going to be either Duncan/Splitter with Diaw and/or Leonard as the big man rotation maybe some Bonner or occasionally Ayers. But i'd imagine Duncan or Splitter will always be on the floor.

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    Not anyone that makes sense when start factoring in money that I can think of. Even without money, the guys available seemingly are questionable (Eric Gordon, Tyreke Evans, JR Smith..)
    JR Smith shouldn't even be discussed. He has a fragile ego and doesn't take criticism well. He wouldn't do well under Pop(who doesn't coddle players)

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    The only trade the Spurs need is the acquisition of another guard defender/SF that isn't an offensive liability..

    Again, this team already has Ginobili and Beli, I don't know why names like Eric Gordon and JR Smith are popping up, tbh..

    For expanding the offense, start with running more plays for Leonard in his preferred spots and give Diaw a slightly larger role, rather than running everything through Parker and Ginobili on every play..

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    The only trade the Spurs need is the acquisition of another guard defender/SF that isn't an offensive liability..

    Again, this team already has Ginobili and Beli, I don't know why names like Eric Gordon and JR Smith are popping up, tbh..

    For expanding the offense, start with running more plays for Leonard in his preferred spots and give Diaw a slightly larger role, rather than running everything through Parker and Ginobili on every play..
    Gordon can play the point and JR Smith is a better defender, both would be a way better fit as third guard than Beli...

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    The only trade the Spurs need is the acquisition of another guard defender/SF that isn't an offensive liability..

    Again, this team already has Ginobili and Beli, I don't know why names like Eric Gordon and JR Smith are popping up, tbh..

    For expanding the offense, start with running more plays for Leonard in his preferred spots and give Diaw a slightly larger role, rather than running everything through Parker and Ginobili on every play..
    I totally agree with getting Kawhi more involved - not confident that it will happen though - but I think the reason some people want a bigger trade is that Manu just doesn't appear to be able to lead the 2nd unit consistently night after night (even before the injuries, although was more sucessful when MAnu/Marco combo was part of bench) - against playoff teams how many good performance can we get from Manu in a 7 game series (I would set the +/- at 2 or 2.5) - I don't think we need to trade for another playmaker at all cost, but if the right trade came along that would allow the ball to be in Manu's hands less or allow him to work against a weaker defender, I would pull the trigger

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    The only trade the Spurs need is the acquisition of another guard defender/SF that isn't an offensive liability..

    Again, this team already has Ginobili and Beli, I don't know why names like Eric Gordon and JR Smith are popping up, tbh..

    For expanding the offense, start with running more plays for Leonard in his preferred spots and give Diaw a slightly larger role, rather than running everything through Parker and Ginobili on every play..
    None of that is the Spurs system. It's pick n roll basketball with the pg scoring or dishing

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    Since this is the thread for trade ideas - no matter how crazy or stupid - I will throw this one out:

    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=luefy4n

    Spurs throw in this years 1st round pick - maybe additional pick or rights as sweetner

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