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    I don't see any SF's that we could trade for with the amount of cap space we have and players that we have to offer that will improve our situation this season. Best bet would be to package some of our expiring contracts and focus on getting some draft picks to either move later to get a better pick or draft length and defense.

    Spurfan has a lot of nostalgia and loyalty to players, they fall in love with someone and don't want to get rid of them. This off season there needs to be drastic cuts in order to afford athletic players who can play defense to get this team over the hump. Timmy has a player option, I simply ask him how important winning one before he's out the door goes, cut that 10M into a 3M deal, I don't know if they can restructure Manu's but that 7Mil is gonna be a big chunk of change. Splitter's deal is utter garbage but I doubt anyone would want that deal for his paper mache body.

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    I don't see any SF's that we could trade for with the amount of cap space we have and players that we have to offer that will improve our situation this season. Best bet would be to package some of our expiring contracts and focus on getting some draft picks to either move later to get a better pick or draft length and defense.

    Spurfan has a lot of nostalgia and loyalty to players, they fall in love with someone and don't want to get rid of them. This off season there needs to be drastic cuts in order to afford athletic players who can play defense to get this team over the hump. Timmy has a player option, I simply ask him how important winning one before he's out the door goes, cut that 10M into a 3M deal, I don't know if they can restructure Manu's but that 7Mil is gonna be a big chunk of change. Splitter's deal is utter garbage but I doubt anyone would want that deal for his paper mache body.
    I don't agree. I would do something like this and I think washington might as well. 3 out of the 4 players are expiring contracts, with joseph being the only one with 2 years left. but he gives them a solid backup PG for wall.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=me3k4lo

    Washington gets:
    Bonner
    Joseph

    Spurs get:
    Jan vesely PF/C 7'
    Chris Singleton SF/PF 6'9"

    With this trade it is not a block buster. but we are looking at two young kids (25 &24) that bring size, length, and athleticism to our team. something we lack and need. Both are obviously brought in as backups and role players. Singleton is shooting 43% on the season from 3. He is very athletic and has great length with a 7'1" wing span. Neither player is playing much right now for washington either. But for the right amount of time given they could be very useful. vesely is a good rebounder with tremendous length. and could use chip england to help him out. as his form isn't very bad on his shot. just needs some tweeks. Singleton also gives us a guy on the bench that could be utilized as a small 4 as well.

    PG- parker, mills, de colo
    SG- bellineli, manu, green
    SF- leonard, singleton
    PF- duncan, diaw, vesely
    C- splitter, ayers, baynes

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    I don't see any SF's that we could trade for with the amount of cap space we have and players that we have to offer that will improve our situation this season. Best bet would be to package some of our expiring contracts and focus on getting some draft picks to either move later to get a better pick or draft length and defense.

    Spurfan has a lot of nostalgia and loyalty to players, they fall in love with someone and don't want to get rid of them. This off season there needs to be drastic cuts in order to afford athletic players who can play defense to get this team over the hump. Timmy has a player option, I simply ask him how important winning one before he's out the door goes, cut that 10M into a 3M deal, I don't know if they can restructure Manu's but that 7Mil is gonna be a big chunk of change. Splitter's deal is utter garbage but I doubt anyone would want that deal for his paper mache body.
    This will never happen.

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    I don't agree. I would do something like this and I think washington might as well. 3 out of the 4 players are expiring contracts, with joseph being the only one with 2 years left. but he gives them a solid backup PG for wall.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=me3k4lo

    Washington gets:
    Bonner
    Joseph

    Spurs get:
    Jan vesely PF/C 7'
    Chris Singleton SF/PF 6'9"

    With this trade it is not a block buster. but we are looking at two young kids (25 &24) that bring size, length, and athleticism to our team. something we lack and need. Both are obviously brought in as backups and role players. Singleton is shooting 43% on the season from 3. He is very athletic and has great length with a 7'1" wing span. Neither player is playing much right now for washington either. But for the right amount of time given they could be very useful. vesely is a good rebounder with tremendous length. and could use chip england to help him out. as his form isn't very bad on his shot. just needs some tweeks. Singleton also gives us a guy on the bench that could be utilized as a small 4 as well.

    PG- parker, mills, de colo
    SG- bellineli, manu, green
    SF- leonard, singleton
    PF- duncan, diaw, vesely
    C- splitter, ayers, baynes
    I don't disagree with the idea of the trade, gets rid of guys who play one way and gives us youth and athleticism but it's not for this season. It would take at least a solid camp and some season to get these guys accustomed to the system and focused on both ends of the court coming from Wizards. This is a move you make if you're preparing for 2015 and beyond.

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    I'm not sure why everybody is trying to forcefeed Bonner down Washington's throat. They don't want him.

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    I've said it before IIRC, but I would absolutely take on Kyle Lowry if it meant you were able to get Amir too. I would give up a first round pick as well even with no guarantee that Kyle would re-sign. Would solve a lot of issues.

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    Is Josh Howard at SF a no go, then?

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    I've said it before IIRC, but I would absolutely take on Kyle Lowry if it meant you were able to get Amir too. I would give up a first round pick as well even with no guarantee that Kyle would re-sign. Would solve a lot of issues.
    That would immediately solve two of the three biggest needs: defensive starter at PF with range (lets Splitter come off the bench with Diaw) and backup PG, of course backup SF being the other.

    That's $12.75M combined for them. Looks like the Spurs would have to send out at least $8.3M, right? I think the rule is salaries match to within 50% plus $250K for non-taxpaying teams. Bonner is obvious ($4M) but the other $4+M has to come from somewhere. I don't think the Spurs have the assets to pull it off; a 1st-rounder in the 25-28 range isn't all that appealing. We also have to hope that the Raptors start losing bad to be willing to deal two key players.

    Now if you're talking about trading Splitter...

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    Assuming TOR only wants a first rounder and can't get any actual basketball assets, it would likely have to be De Colo/Bonner + either Boris or Danny Green.

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    I'm not sure why everybody is trying to forcefeed Bonner down Washington's throat. They don't want him.
    The devil doesn't want him either but why the are we cursed to have him?

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    Is Josh Howard at SF a no go, then?
    If he showed the slightest indication that he was worth anything the Spurs would immediately waive him for a 6'3 SF

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    That would immediately solve two of the three biggest needs: defensive starter at PF with range (lets Splitter come off the bench with Diaw) and backup PG, of course backup SF being the other.

    That's $12.75M combined for them. Looks like the Spurs would have to send out at least $8.3M, right? I think the rule is salaries match to within 50% plus $250K for non-taxpaying teams. Bonner is obvious ($4M) but the other $4+M has to come from somewhere. I don't think the Spurs have the assets to pull it off; a 1st-rounder in the 25-28 range isn't all that appealing. We also have to hope that the Raptors start losing bad to be willing to deal two key players.

    Now if you're talking about trading Splitter...
    Splitter looks like a good deal right now but if Duncan't continued drop off doesn't slow down and he's even slower defensively next year I think we'll start to view Splitter's deal as an albatross. Too much money for what he does and gives/minutes.

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    That would immediately solve two of the three biggest needs: defensive starter at PF with range (lets Splitter come off the bench with Diaw) and backup PG, of course backup SF being the other.

    That's $12.75M combined for them. Looks like the Spurs would have to send out at least $8.3M, right? I think the rule is salaries match to within 50% plus $250K for non-taxpaying teams. Bonner is obvious ($4M) but the other $4+M has to come from somewhere. I don't think the Spurs have the assets to pull it off; a 1st-rounder in the 25-28 range isn't all that appealing. We also have to hope that the Raptors start losing bad to be willing to deal two key players.

    Now if you're talking about trading Splitter...
    Good take. That'd be about the only way I'd trade Splitter. I think the Spurs could trade Tiago to Atlanta for the appropriate assets and redirect them to Toronto.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kfqgaxl

    Add Noguiera and a Spurs first to that. Or add in Fields for Daye and send Bonner out as well on lieu of the first. If Bonner stays, he and Joseph or Mills might fetch something decent.

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    Splitter looks like a good deal right now but if Duncan't continued drop off doesn't slow down and he's even slower defensively next year I think we'll start to view Splitter's deal as an albatross. Too much money for what he does and gives/minutes.
    If Duncan keeps falling off, he'll be benched in favor of Splitter more and more. Pop has already shown he will do that. Simply put, the team won't give up a le just to give Tim a bunch or minutes. Anyway, Tiago won't be benched due to Tim's slowness on defense. It's about Tim no longer spacing the floor. Duncan's slowess on D is exactly why Splitter is valuable.

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    How pissed would anyone be if they stood pat this next offseason, re-signed Bonner and extended offers to our expirings?

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    How pissed would anyone be if they stood pat this next offseason, re-signed Bonner and extended offers to our expirings?
    Depends on how this season finished. If they ring, the FO can do what they damn well please for all I care.

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    If Duncan keeps falling off, he'll be benched in favor of Splitter more and more. Pop has already shown he will do that. Simply put, the team won't give up a le just to give Tim a bunch or minutes. Anyway, Tiago won't be benched due to Tim's slowness on defense. It's about Tim no longer spacing the floor. Duncan's slowess on D is exactly why Splitter is valuable.
    I don't want a pairing of Diaw and Splitter or Splitter and Ayres.

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    I don't want a pairing of Diaw and Splitter or Splitter and Ayres.
    Well, that's your fault.

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    How pissed would anyone be if they stood pat this next offseason, re-signed Bonner and extended offers to our expirings?
    Bonner and DeColo would be the biggest aggravating extensions.

    The rest are Diaw, Mills (which I would like back) and convincing TD to play one more year.

    Can't say too pissed.

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    Splitter looks like a good deal right now but if Duncan't continued drop off doesn't slow down and he's even slower defensively next year I think we'll start to view Splitter's deal as an albatross. Too much money for what he does and gives/minutes.
    Thats an interesting point. He is currently getting payed $10.2 million for 20 minutes of work. Diaw is logging about 24 mpg for about 5 million. At the moment it seems that Duncan and Splitter can't consistently play together. Instead Splitter either starts each half for about 7 minutes only to return to spell Duncan for 6 minutes until Tim returns to finish the 2nd or 4th quarter.

    There is value in that though, having a rim protector in at all times is a major positive. He also is a good passer, an improved rebounder, and has shown in the past to be very good against opposing benches. He is also big enough to go small with Leonard playing the 4.

    It should be noted that his contract actually is front-loaded, so he will only be making $9.5 (may be $9.2, cant recall) million next season.

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    Bonner and DeColo would be the biggest aggravating extensions.

    The rest are Diaw, Mills (which I would like back) and convincing TD to play one more year.

    Can't say too pissed.
    Baynes is a team option. A cheap one for $1.1 million.

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    Baynes is a team option. A cheap one for $1.1 million.
    yeah, I kinda assume they're going to pick that one up.

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    Baynes is a team option. A cheap one for $1.1 million.
    Why do you keep saying he has an option? He doesn't. He is an Arenas FA. The $1.1 Million is for his QO.

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    Why do you keep saying he has an option? He doesn't. He is an Arenas FA. The $1.1 Million is for his QO.
    I saw it on hoopsworld, for some reason they had it as him being a team option. I forgot that you mentioned that to me earlier.

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    Sham is currently updating team salaries. He has updated alphabetically through the NY Knicks. OKC is next to be updated. Check it out if you get a chance.

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