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Listen man, Splitter is a heck of a defender...
Duncan has poor mobility and can't cover up guards anymore..But still has great timing..
Baynes is atrocious is just bad.
End of bench players doing end of bench work, tbh.
Listen man, Splitter is a heck of a defender...
Duncan has poor mobility and can't cover up guards anymore..But still has great timing..
Baynes is atrocious is just bad.
And this makes it 3 straight posts with hyperbole and emotion in place of specifics. I'm done.
Ayres can't catch bounce passes. that's a problem
and to be fair on Baynes he needs reps, the best he has played for the big club this season is the games he comes back from the D-League. Where he may have logged 2 or more 30 minute games.
YOu cant expect 7 footers who sit for weeks on end to come in have have touch straight away.
Cant explain Ayres though.
The point is that both these bigs have what we always lacked...athleticism.
If we can sort out at least one decent player from them it's already a plus...'cause in the past our reserve bigs not named Diaw (I mean Blair and Bonner) have always been the primary goal - one on one- of every offensive set of our rival team.
One thing that both Baynes and Ayres have in common is that at least, 'cause of their athletic sklills, the opposite team need to create something istead of just giving the ball to one of their bigs...
The flaws of both are clear, but also the skills... I mean that with this human material you can work and try to improve them...obviously they need a lot of training time (and we are not particularly good at developing training bigs)and some playing time...expecially considering that both of them are practically new to the team (Baynes just played little minutes last year, and had no training camp) and that both didn't play a lot of minutes in these past two years.
That's what I was thinking. Apparently everyone else in the league gets a pass when playing like after sitting for 2 weeks except for Baynes. We obviously gotta hold him in higher regard and expect awesome results each time he enters the game. Silly thread tbh.
After Splitter and Diaw, the talent plummets precipitously. Our big men stink.
they have both been pretty ing awful the whole season. I don't expect much of them, so i won't throw them under the bus, they may come in handy in the right matchup, but that's about it i guess. Definetely not cornerstones or anything close to it.
Might just be wishful thinking, but I think Baynes just needs pt. If he had gotten all the pt that Ayers has gotten so far this season, I think he'd be a quality back up.
Really sucks because he looked so good early in the playoffs.
Do you really think other nba teams have better as their 4th and 5th options?
I think that Baynes is good at playing the role of a pulling guard in football. He does a good job of making room for our guards to get to the rim, a talent that Splitter has but Duncan hardly ever displays any more at all. Diaw can do a good job of that as well, although on offense he is normally spacing the floor so is less useful in that regard. Bonner and Ayres cannot do it all, but at least Bonner spreads the floor.
I think people are too hard on Baynes as well, but that is the nature of this forum, imo.
Is he good? Absolutely not. Does he have a better upside than Ayres or Bonner? I think maybe yes…but he needs lots and lots of development.
Baynes > ayers
Baynes barely gets PT, his potential and effectiveness on the floor is vastly higher then ayers, who is already as effective as hes ever gonna be.
give baynes all of ayers minutes and he will do fine
Give me Aron's 6 fouls and pick and pop midrange jump shot all day over Ayers.
It is wishful thinking both of them aren't very good. We'd be better off going in a different direction.
So we have moved from stats without context and cherry picking individual games onto emotional appeal. Bravo!
Have we moved on from this obsession with Baynes. Spurs need actual depth at the 4 or 5 in case Duncan, Diaw or Splitter go down. And I never said he wasn't an intriguing player he does have skill, he just hasn't been productive. Pop may come across as senile around here but he must have a reason for not playing Baynes more over Ayers.
Pop is also a man who has kept and played Bonner huge minutes for year after year, played jaque vaughn non stop, stuck with finley waay after his prime, plays Ayers big minutes, etc...
Pop is stubborn
Bottom line:
Without Baynes getting regular minutes - struggle against top teams
if Baynes was getting regular minutes - Spurs easily have 45+ games won already, easily beating top NBA teams
Well, the Spurs had their chance to sign Blatche who looks like a solid backup in Brooklyn. Also would Eddie Curry have been worse than these two guys? At least Curry had an offensive game. Baynes and Ayres have neither offense or defense.
He has had several productive games when given burn lately. Watching Pop yank Baynes after wandering around setting screens at whim makes it obvious why to me. I think its too late in the game halfway through the season to go through Baynes growing pains so it is what it is at this point.
After seeing how Mills and Splitter were brought along and up it seems that we are going to have to wait until next year or a roster change before we see Baynes get his shot.
Awful. If Splitter is going to go down with an injury every other game, I don't feel safe with our bigs after him.
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