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Just tuned into the Clippers-Sixers game to watch Turner and Young in action.
The score is 52-15 Clippers... with 10 min left in the 2nd quarter... Safe to say the Sixers are in full tank mode. And the Clips are on pace to put up almost 200 pts.
I am not so sure that Lowry is not in their plans. Toronto was trying to trade him earlier this season (when his value was not so high) but TOR began to play better, Lowry started to play better and they have the 3rd best record in the East with Lowry starting (not as strong as the West, but still a playoff team with a winning record).
16.6ppg/7.4apg/4.4rpg @ 57%TS/39% from deep and PER of 20 is pretty solid for a starting PG. Right now, teams would be willing to give up a late first round pick for Lowry even if they're unsure about keeping him. I'd say that TOR would be the side saying no.
If a player is productive, he is worth a 1st round pick. SA spent a first pick on Kurt Thomas, who was 36 at the time. Houston got the 18th pick in the 2012 draft (Terrence Jones) for Chase Budinger, a backup SF with an expiring contract putting 9ppg/4rpg. Don't even have to mention Gerald Wallace here.
To me a trade with Toronto is too complicated simply because they're winning and Lowry and Amir are starters. They have no reason to trade them for late picks , questionable prospects or scrubs right now.
I'd love to have both btw, but it's not happening. Not for what SA is willing to give up.
Just tuned into the Clippers-Sixers game to watch Turner and Young in action.
The score is 52-15 Clippers... with 10 min left in the 2nd quarter... Safe to say the Sixers are in full tank mode. And the Clips are on pace to put up almost 200 pts.
LAC 62-21 PHI and Philly is 6 of 40 from the floor. This is embarrassing !
WTF happened in that game? Wow, they are getting smashed.
Clippers lead 70-30 at halftime.. this Sixers team is awful. And furthermore, Evan Turner's shot is ugly. He attempted two 3's (bricked both, one barely hit the side of the rim). Bad form on his shot. Much rather have Thaddeus Young, who plays hard on D and is a good offensive rebounder.
But I think either player would welcome a trade to a team like the Spurs after playing for a team this bad for so long tbh. This team is embarrassing.
Sixers: 8-52 FG in the 1st half (15%), including 1-15 from 3 (7%).
Last edited by BatManu20; 02-09-2014 at 10:52 PM.
Just give us Thaddeus Young tbh.
We can only hope.Just give us Thaddeus Young tbh.
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/2/8...ons-josh-smith
Pistons apparently looking to dump Josh Smith.
If the Spurs look to do in that direction, they'd have the expiring contracts to free up the books for Detroit.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=o9vzrgf
Pistons Get
Belinelli
Ayers
De Colo
Bonner
Spurs Get
Smith
Silva (PG)
Harrellson (PF)
Pistons-They're big lineup has failed miserably. This would save them $37.31 million over the next 3 seasons. Detroit would save 9.3 million next season.
Spurs-Get Smith, a talented combo forward. He struggles with shot selection (a chucker from 3 and a poor shooter from their as well). As a small forward he can't space the floor as well but is capable of guarding opposing SFs.
As a PF he is long and athletic and could be useful in defending stretch forwards. Also would allow the Spurs to bring both Diaw and Splitter off the bench along with Manu and Mills/Joseph and either Green or Leonard.
Would tie up the Spurs books next season. The Spurs would have $58 million to 7 players next season with Mills and Diaw UFAs. But after that his contract would have minimal impact.
I'd probably be okay with this deal. I think Smith is better than any PF the team is likely to get in 2015. Re-signing Mills and Diaw is a lot easier of a decision with Smith on board. The tax line is probably going to be near $75 Million. That's plenty to sign draft picks amd even bring in an MLE guard to replace Beli/Ginobili eventually.
Duplicate post.
Would Diaw and Mills qualify for Early bird or Bird rights? Both were acquired 2 plus seasons ago but both were signed late in the 11-12 season.
Full Bird. Although Early Bird would probably be enough to re-sign them anyway.
I would HATE to lose Belli, but bringing in Smith could easily worth it and this could possibly bring Danny's self confidence back.
We would be very thin at SG, tho. Raja Bell for the minimum could work or even trading Baynes and CoJo for Neal
Last edited by szkorhetz; 02-10-2014 at 05:32 AM.
Josh Smith is a black hole on offense and while his individual defensive metrics read fine, there is nothing called "system player" written anything about him. Only a fool would believe that Popovich and RCB will ever seek to get Josh Smith that too on a max contract to the Spurs.
I'm not sure I'd trade for Smith, if he was that easy to get probably... I don't think he fits well with Tim and Tiago compared to some of the other 4 on the block.
I remember all the speculation about trading for Josh Smith last season. Of course, the rub then was that he would just be a rental, now he has a contract that would have to be dumped should he not be a good fit.
If Duncan's jumper is on, Smith fits well enough into the starting lineup. He's a bad shooter but is pretty good in the paint. A big frontcourt lineup of Duncan/Diaw/Smith is especially interesting because Diaw and Duncan (hopefully) provide enough spacing and the Spurs could post up Diaw or Smith, whoever is being guarded by the opposing SF.
I would be worried about an odd-man-out situation, though; I'm not sure you want to play 4 bigs in the playoffs.
Beli has cooled off after a hot start. His trade vaule may still be pretty good considering his short and cheap contract. He is still one of the best 3pt shooters in the NBA. He isn't likely to play a big role in the post season unless our roster changes a bit. I think he will have to compete with Mills & Joseph (both would essentially be playing the same position as Beli off the bench with Manu running point)
As we don't have a backup SF, and both Diaw and Smith capable of playing the three, this would not be an odd-man out, TBH.
Josh Smith is paid $13.5M per year until 2017.
Given his contract, I don't see Spurs having even a remote interest in him. Joe Dumars has gone from one of the best GM to one of the worst. His track record for the past 5 years is atrocious and the huge contract he gave to Smith is a part of it.
Smith isn't my favorite target by any means. I'd even prefer Thad Young over him. But his contract isn't really that bad if he plays at the four. He adds much-needed athleticism to the front court.
I don't see why the Spurs should try to protect their future cap space. They won't sign anyone better than Smith in the 2015 free agency. May as well get the PF they'll be seeking then and give him two years in the system.
But yes, I don't see the Spurs wanting him.
He is a bad contract but Splitter is worth 10 millions? Come on, man.
Splitter is the savior. He brings the paper mache goods.
Splitter is a good mobile center who excels defensively and is a good fit with an aging Duncan. He is very good at team defense and is a great fit within the Spurs system. His issues include injury-proneness, but last season he was very consistent in staying fit and on court.
Smith is an overpaid, overzealous jump shooter who has extremely bad habits, a very poor shot chart, has questionable at ude, terrible free throw percentage and is more of a showboat on individual defense. Since when did the Spurs recruit a player like him in the Duncan era?
There are a number of FAs whom the Spurs could target in 2015. Starting with someone like Kevin Love, who could be so win-starved to give the Spurs atleast a thought. He would also be a good fit with Splitter (and Leonard) in the frontcourt with his spacing abilities. There is no given the Love would opt for the Spurs and he has his own disadvantages (shortish, no shot blocking ability, average on defense and so on), but he fits much more better than someone like Smith.
The Spurs could go different directions and work toward contention - tank a season or rebuild on the fly with Parker, Leonard & Splitter if they carefully preserve their 2015 cap space strategy. Unless they get a slam dunk FA out of nowhere (and it is possible), they shouldn't try anything stupid like hiring the likes of Smith.
Thad Young, OTOH would be interesting. He has an ETO in 2015 (which he might exercise to cash in more) and is a much better fit to the Spurs system because of better perimeter defense as well.
Isn't betting on Free Agency the dumb option for the Spurs tho? A small market team with a 32 years old second banana... Who are we kidding? The top players don't sign with small markets...
Perserving cap space is nice and all but if Love goes to LA like he's already talking about then what?
Also Splitter was a good fit with an aging Duncan, it doesn't seem quite as good this year...
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