Official Trade/Signing Ideas Thread

[TheGoldStandard]

A talented player who has never reached the post-season and has always played for a losing team, seeking to play for a winner which has a great coach, a terrific FO and a set of players that complement his talents.

Won't say the Spurs are a slam dunk among the suitors, but they would be pretty darn close to a team that can woo Love, provided Parker, Leonard, Splitter are the core of the team (and perhaps even Duncan stays on for a season or more as a veteran mentor) and is coached by Pop.

With cap space due to Manu's & TD's expirings and a reasonable contract for Kawhi, the Spurs can find space for a near max contract for Love and if they can make the right pitch, what prevents Love from atleast thinking "yes"?

I see what you're saying.. It's going to take some smart moves in order to keep the price tag for Boris, Green down.. I see Parker probably getting 10M a year, Kawhi 4/48

[Robz4000]

Only one of those FAs I see considering the Spurs is LA. Love will prolly be a Laker and Bosh will go for the money in a large market now that he's won rings.

[Spursfanfromafar]

We've already talked about our views on the 2015 FA period, so there's that. I think the team will have to make smart trades to acquire taleny without tanking. Having good chips like Chandler's mostly non-guaranteed deal or having a youngish big on a reasonable deal (and whose numbers could/should skyrocket in the Spurs' system) would better help the team. Trading for Love on draft night seems much more likely than signing him outright.

Speaking of 2015 FA, I wouldn't be shocked to see Bosh being a target if he doesn't opt out this summer (which I don't think he will). Can't see the Heatles staying together past next season. He, LA and Love make a strong class.

So to Chandler. His injuries issues lower his value, but I'm not too concerned with them if he comes off the bench. I think he's more valyable in that role than Williams would be because he can competently play three positions as opposed to two. He and Leonard can share the court even while the team plays big.

The major issue with your view is that the Spurs are showing no sign of holding that kind of a view! The sign-no-one-beyond-2015 strategy seems to be imprinted in every move they have made so far and I don't see a radical change in that. So I rule out ILyasova. Chandler, yes, maybe.. but there is less chance of Denver delivering and with his injury history, I think the Spurs will value Williams more as he is a clearer fit with their strategy.

And yes, 2015 with Bosh, LA & Love would be a good class to choose from. LA will stay in Portland, that much is pretty clear after this season, while I don't know where Bosh will "take his talents" to. Miami will rejig something out of the same Heatles combination, I think, if they continue to contend so well. Trust Riley to do that much.

[alfahdlan]

If Wilson Chandler is available, Spurs have to go after him; he would add a lot of versatility to the roster. I'd prefer a big SF that can play some small ball PF over a mobile true PF.

These are some of the plays Denver runs when they have Chandler at small ball PF: http://www.sbnation.com/2013/4/19/42...ilson-chandler

He would be another guy to throw at LeBron/Durant.

One helpful aspect in this situation is that Denver has SF depth (Miller and Hamilton); and they could use some PG depth (something Spurs have an excess of).

Big question, would Chandler be ok with not starting?

With him in, Spurs can field a line-up of ginobili/leonard/chandler/splitter/duncan that can contain any heat line-up

[Spursfanfromafar]

I see what you're saying.. It's going to take some smart moves in order to keep the price tag for Boris, Green down.. I see Parker probably getting 10M a year, Kawhi 4/48

Parker will get the previous Manu package, methinks - $13-14 million * 3. Leonard will have to start off from $9-$10ish as first year base going up * 4 in his first extension, which I think is a good enough number for his output, maybe a little more. And that will give space for pursuing Love.

[Chinook]

The major issue with your view is that the Spurs are showing no sign of holding that kind of a view! The sign-no-one-beyond-2015 strategy seems to be imprinted in every move they have made so far and I don't see a radical change in that. So I rule out ILyasova. Chandler, yes, maybe.. but there is less chance of Denver delivering and with his injury history, I think the Spurs will value Williams more as he is a clearer fit with their strategy.

And yes, 2015 with Bosh, LA & Love would be a good class to choose from. LA will stay in Portland, that much is pretty clear after this season, while I don't know where Bosh will "take his talents" to. Miami will rejig something out of the same Heatles combination, I think, if they continue to contend so well. Trust Riley to do that much.

We don't know their strategy. We all though stashing LJC was a sign the team planned on using 2013 cap space, but that obviously didn't happen. I'm sure the team wants to keep its options open. But what that means for their overall desire to remain compe ive after Duncan retires is still up on the air and will be unless/until Parker extends. If he leaves in 2015 FA, the Spurs' plan would change. But if he extends, then the question of his 2015 salary comes into play. If it's modest, they'll be in position to use cap space. If it's not, then they won't. Also of issue will be what amount of money they are willing to give Leonard on an extension.

The 2015 off-season will have a ton of moving parts. If they plan on keeping the machine going, they have to lock in the big pieces ASAP. Otherwise, they risk losing important pieces in the jigsaw puzzle.

[TheGoldStandard]

We all know that the Spurs will be targeting this guy in the draft, according to RC he doesn't quite have the hands of his brother or the court vision but he has that "it" factor.

[Spursfanfromafar]

We don't know their strategy. We all though stashing LJC was a sign the team planned on using 2013 cap space, but that obviously didn't happen. I'm sure the team wants to keep its options open. But what that means for their overall desire to remain compe ive after Duncan retires is still up on the air and will be unless/until Parker extends. If he leaves in 2015 FA, the Spurs' plan would change. But if he extends, then the question of his 2015 salary comes into play. If it's modest, they'll be in position to use cap space. If it's not, then they won't. Also of issue will be what amount of money they are willing to give Leonard on an extension.

The 2015 off-season will have a ton of moving parts. If they plan on keeping the machine going, they have to lock in the big pieces ASAP. Otherwise, they risk losing important pieces in the jigsaw puzzle.

Stashing LJC was because there was no player who could be taken apart from him who could contribute this season in a crappy draft.

I think the SPurs would prefer to set the terms of pricing in getting players rather than being forced to buy some at costs that they haven't determined .. when they face an uncertain future. That means, they would seek to build via free agency and if it doesn't pan out (which I think is unlikely), they will rebuild via tanking & draft.

This core, they have, they can sustain for one more year provided they plug weaknesses..not future inefficiencies.

[RD2191]

We all know that the Spurs will be targeting this guy in the draft, according to RC he doesn't quite have the hands of his brother or the court vision but he has that "it" factor.

[TheGoldStandard]

Jim Boylen: He's really solid from the FT line.

[Mikeanaro]

Another Errors?
Never say never with this FO, in SA 6´3¨ is power forward material

[HarlemHeat37]

- I was a big advocate of Wilson Chandler to the Spurs when he was with the Knicks, and while I certainly wouldn't mind the move right now, he has been pretty mediocre this season, tbh..he's definitely more of a small-ball 4 at this point, which is where Denver played him last year, but he hasn't looked good at SF this season under Brian Shaw, particularly defensively..

He's a very good shooter and off-ball player, though, so he would probably fit well with the Spurs, but defensively, he's more of a 4 at this point IMO..

- It's difficult to get excited about Ilyasova this season, his game has deteriorated, tbh..last year, his xRAPM, IPV and overall on/off metrics were very solid, one of the best stretch bigs in the league, but he has just been completely awful this season, tbh..not to mention that even at his peak, he's a below average defender(although his rebounding helps, to be fair)..

I love Khris Middleton's game, tbh, I'd love to have him on the Spurs..if the Spurs could manage to get both, I'd be happy with Ilyasova..

- Marvin Williams has low upside, but he's probably the best fit for the Spurs..he's the best defensive player of the bunch, he's a good shooter and he can legitimately play small-ball 4..he has the best defensive metrics of any Jazz perimeter player the past 2 seasons and it isn't even close..

[RD2191]

Jim Boylen: He's really solid from the FT line.

Can't teach his kind of hustle.

[TheGoldStandard]

Another Errors?
Never say never with this FO, in SA 6´3¨ is power forward material

I have never seen someone have a higher 3 pt percentage over a FT percentage

[TheGoldStandard]

Can't teach his kind of hustle.

When he turns over the ball he quickly gets back on defense.

[Chinook]

Stashing LJC was because there was no player who could be taken apart from him who could contribute this season in a crappy draft.

I think the SPurs would prefer to set the terms of pricing in getting players rather than being forced to buy some at costs that they haven't determined .. when they face an uncertain future. That means, they would seek to build via free agency and if it doesn't pan out (which I think is unlikely), they will rebuild via tanking & draft.

This core, they have, they can sustain for one more year provided they plug weaknesses..not future inefficiencies.

The core can sustain so long as they remain healthy. If they can't, they can't win no matter who they have. It would be nice to use assets to add to their core rather than supplementing it. They have three years of underachievement so show them why bringing in stopgaps is a poor strategy.

If anything, trading for their new superstar allows them to set the price for everyone else, because they don't have to worry about the cap. Not to mention they'd get the MLE and LLE to work with instead of the room exception.

If the Spurs want to reload after the Big Three era is over, trades are the best way to go as it allows them to take more salary in thus get better players. If they want tk rebuild, they'll still be under the cap and can move their mid-sized deals for assets. I don't see why they'd shy away from $2 Million over having to give Williams or whomever replaces him a multi-year deal or have the same problems over again with having no back up to Leonard.

[Mikeanaro]

I have never seen someone have a higher 3 pt percentage over a FT percentage

LOL! You are right I wasnt looking the stats thats catastrophic...he makes shaq look like calderon or rick barry. Weird .

[RD2191]

When he turns over the ball he quickly gets back on defense.

[Chinook]

- I was a big advocate of Wilson Chandler to the Spurs when he was with the Knicks, and while I certainly wouldn't mind the move right now, he has been pretty mediocre this season, tbh..he's definitely more of a small-ball 4 at this point, which is where Denver played him last year, but he hasn't looked good at SF this season under Brian Shaw, particularly defensively..

He's a very good shooter and off-ball player, though, so he would probably fit well with the Spurs, but defensively, he's more of a 4 at this point IMO..

- It's difficult to get excited about Ilyasova this season, his game has deteriorated, tbh..last year, his xRAPM, IPV and overall on/off metrics were very solid, one of the best stretch bigs in the league, but he has just been completely awful this season, tbh..not to mention that even at his peak, he's a below average defender(although his rebounding helps, to be fair)..

I love Khris Middleton's game, tbh, I'd love to have him on the Spurs..if the Spurs could manage to get both, I'd be happy with Ilyasova..

- Marvin Williams has low upside, but he's probably the best fit for the Spurs..he's the best defensive player of the bunch, he's a good shooter and he can legitimately play small-ball 4..he has the best defensive metrics of any Jazz perimeter player the past 2 seasons and it isn't even close..

The fact that Ilyasova and Chandler are dogging it this season is why they're gettable. We're not talking about Ariza or Afflalo anymore. We have to hope they can get back to their old ways in the Spurs' system ... Wow that sounds like the RJ rationale, but anyway ... Chandler still has the agility to play the three, especially behind Leonard. Ilyasova has been playing better recently. Their both in new systems on bad teams. I think in smaller roles in an better system on a good team, they can be great. And if they suck, it's not a big deal. The team will just be out a first. I just don't feel comfortable with giving up a pick for someone who has little upside and will put the team in a difficult position in the summer.

[xellos88330]

IT!!! TRADE EVERYONE AND BUY A DAMN TROPHY!!!!




ps: Drunk

[Spursfanfromafar]

- I was a big advocate of Wilson Chandler to the Spurs when he was with the Knicks, and while I certainly wouldn't mind the move right now, he has been pretty mediocre this season, tbh..he's definitely more of a small-ball 4 at this point, which is where Denver played him last year, but he hasn't looked good at SF this season under Brian Shaw, particularly defensively..

He's a very good shooter and off-ball player, though, so he would probably fit well with the Spurs, but defensively, he's more of a 4 at this point IMO..

- It's difficult to get excited about Ilyasova this season, his game has deteriorated, tbh..last year, his xRAPM, IPV and overall on/off metrics were very solid, one of the best stretch bigs in the league, but he has just been completely awful this season, tbh..not to mention that even at his peak, he's a below average defender(although his rebounding helps, to be fair)..

I love Khris Middleton's game, tbh, I'd love to have him on the Spurs..if the Spurs could manage to get both, I'd be happy with Ilyasova..

- Marvin Williams has low upside, but he's probably the best fit for the Spurs..he's the best defensive player of the bunch, he's a good shooter and he can legitimately play small-ball 4..he has the best defensive metrics of any Jazz perimeter player the past 2 seasons and it isn't even close..

This.. I completely agree.

[TheGoldStandard]

The fact that Ilyasova and Chandler are dogging it this season is why they're gettable. We're not talking about Ariza or Afflalo anymore. We have to hope they can get back to their old ways in the Spurs' system ... Wow that sounds like the RJ rationale, but anyway ... Chandler still has the agility to play the three, especially behind Leonard. Ilyasova has been playing better recently. Their both in new systems on bad teams. I think in smaller roles in an better system on a good team, they can be great. And if they suck, it's not a big deal. The team will just be out a first. I just don't feel comfortable with giving up a pick for someone who has little upside and will put the team in a difficult position in the summer.

I think the fact that there has been so much turnover with the Bucks hurts the chemistry of the team and overall play of Ilyasova plus he's had some nagging injuries. If he's healthy now then he makes sense.. Chandler makes sense too, much more of an athletic defender but his outside shot is screwy

[FireMicoHalili]

We're probably trading for Beno, keeping Shannon Brown, and somehow ending up with Brandon Bass. Love the Spurs FO because Duncan is the best at 37 and there's a lot left in the tank so we can surround him with scrubs. Love tweeners who help take pressure off The Big 3. Love the Spurs FO because the team hasn't been healthy and there isn't a shortage of talent. De Colo is the best. CoJo is and always will be an underrated defender. Bonner is the X Factor. Ayres is as mobile as David Robinson. Tiago is worth every penny. Clearly this is the best way to make use of Duncan's last two years.

[Jwash_1986]

We're probably trading for Beno, keeping Shannon Brown, and somehow ending up with Brandon Bass. Love the Spurs FO because Duncan is the best at 37 and there's a lot left in the tank so we can surround him with scrubs. Love tweeners who help take pressure off The Big 3. Love the Spurs FO because the team hasn't been healthy and there isn't a shortage of talent. De Colo is the best. CoJo is and always will be an underrated defender. Bonner is the X Factor. Ayres is as mobile as David Robinson. Tiago is worth every penny. Clearly this is the best way to make use of Duncan's last two years.

[Jwash_1986]

Even though I'm not a trade expert I would think any team in the west that our competing or at least attempting too wouldn't do any type of trade with the Spurs. I would think if you got a player via trade it'll be from the East.