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It comes from not wanting to give up Bonner, Ayres, mills, cojo or any combo with that pick
Agree with you there, but it's a way to sweeten the pot (Bucks want SOMETHING for Neal). We'd rather do the trade without Neal, but this just brings the two sides closer.
It comes from not wanting to give up Bonner, Ayres, mills, cojo or any combo with that pick
If you're the Spurs, do you consider anything along the lines of Kawhi + 1st + filler (and maybe the rights to LJC, Bertans, or Hanga) for Ilyasova, Middleton, and John Henson? If the Spurs even had a decent other option to start at SF I'd say maybe, but the glaring lack of depth at that position, more than Kawhi's youth and talent, is what makes him nigh-untradable.
No i dont trade kawhi for throwing in Middleton or henson they are not playoff ready especially with this team and would screw up chemistry. Adding a role player like ilyasova is fine for spare parts.
[QUOTE=Budkin;7137780]Just extend Bonner and Ayres to long term contracts and call it a day.[/QUOTE Send kawhi and a draft pick over for RJ and I'd say we had a he'll of a deadline.
You know we agree on Kawhi being overrated, but I don't like the trade at all. He's not a star, but he's in the Gallinari/Gordon level where you don't trade him for non-stars/non-high lottery picks. He's a legitimate starting SF, which is more than we can say for anyone who'd be on the roster after that trade.
Plus Leonard needs to come back strong so that he can get overrated more. If Duncan really does retire this season, Leonard (and Splitter and Parker) could definitely be on the block.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lo2xt8o http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kgypmss if the bulls wanna tank http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lzmcqnz ilyasova wants out and the bucks get 2 expirings http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mmbkea9 2 expirings to a team http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lt7e27s our best chance is probably to find a team wanting to unload years of contracts for expirings cause we really have all of interest that another team may want. doesn't really matter cause anything that happens will be a small move or nothing.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=khofx6q This would surely put us in the le hunt
Back before he signed his latest contract with Milwaukee, I was really hoping the Spurs would make a run at Ilyasova: he's got Bonner range with a better in-between game, is a much better rebounder, and would be a perfect stretch 4 for the Spurs system. He is not a great defender, and he has been injury-plagued for the past couple of years, but I have a feeling that might be psychosomatic... put him on a contending team with a strong culture like the Spurs and I think he'd be a lot healthier and more motivated, although it is a risk. At 8mil, he is also quite expensive, but he would be a significant step up on Bonner, and we have plenty of salary space coming up in the next few years.
Then, on the weekend, I was walking up the mountain thinking about who the Spurs should be trying to target at this trade deadline given that I don't think we have quite enough to beat the other contenders at this point. Who did I settle on? Ilyasova and Thaddeous Young! And then came the article.
If either could be had for our 1st pick, Bonner's expiring contract and pieces, we should jump at it. If we could have our choice Thad or Ersan I'm not sure which I would prefer for the Spurs - Thad is a better slasher and garbage guy with less range but a better defender, while Ilya can certainly stretch the floor. Who do you think would be a better fit?
(PS
to the "Kawhi is over-rated" crew, who've obviously forgotten what we all saw in May/June 2013 - a superb player excelling at the very highest level of the game. Kid hasn't taken the leap this year, but that doesn't mean he won't some time in the next couple. Let's revisit this in two years, shall we?
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Last edited by RuffnReadyOzStyle; 02-18-2014 at 02:41 AM.
Idiot.
Well, neither of them are true 3's shooter. Young was shooting 3' poorly -32,2% 3's this season, 32,9% 3's career-, he isn't an above-average defender, $28 million remaining on his contract -with player option to become an unrestricted free agent-.
Only the Sixers would really benefit from this trade, cap relief -Kawhi's rookie contract/ plus restricted free agent if they want to keep him nexts years- and add a promising young player
Nah
17ppg/6apg on 39%FG/47%TS, 29% from deep and 3.5 TOs per game. Even Cory Joseph would be able to put those inefficient stats if he had the freedom to play 35 min/game in a crap tanking team.
He is a decent prospect and that's all. Nothing special .
Got overrated because of his game against the Heat.
Last edited by elemento; 02-18-2014 at 09:32 AM.
Wow. Leave it to you to make another jerk comment. Disagree with it all you like, but there's nothing to say the Spurs would not blow it up next season if Duncan leaves, especially since Parker's been ambiguous about re-signing.
Yeah. Leonard on the block.
Are you Sam Amico (in moron mode) in disguise?
The overrated Kawhi Leonard -
http://bkref.com/tiny/x8t8x
Third best in WS/48 for any Spur who has played in the playoffs after the useless Tim Duncan and the overrated David Robinson.
No one forgot the playoffs. He played really well, which is why he's not tradeable for much right now. But acting like scoring on Mike Miller makes him a star is exactly why people are saying he's overrated. Look at what Green did in that same series when he was not a defensive priority.Back before he signed his latest contract with Milwaukee, I was really hoping the Spurs would make a run at Ilyasova: he's got Bonner range with a better in-between game, is a much better rebounder, and would be a perfect stretch 4 for the Spurs system. He is not a great defender, and he has been injury-plagued for the past couple of years, but I have a feeling that might be psychosomatic... put him on a contending team with a strong culture like the Spurs and I think he'd be a lot healthier and more motivated, although it is a risk. At 8mil, he is also quite expensive, but he would be a significant step up on Bonner, and we have plenty of salary space coming up in the next few years.
Then, on the weekend, I was walking up the mountain thinking about who the Spurs should be trying to target at this trade deadline given that I don't think we have quite enough to beat the other contenders at this point. Who did I settle on? Ilyasova and Thaddeous Young! And then came the article.
If either could be had for our 1st pick, Bonner's expiring contract and pieces, we should jump at it. If we could have our choice Thad or Ersan I'm not sure which I would prefer for the Spurs - Thad is a better slasher and garbage guy with less range but a better defender, while Ilya can certainly stretch the floor. Who do you think would be a better fit?
(PS
People cantw accept that Leonard is a role-player. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. He's a great championship piece, but he's not a franchise player.
And? Kawhi's not overrated because he's not good. Kawhi's overrated because he's not the budding superstar people think he is. I know that stats as well as you. I love win-shares, but I don't think they prove all that much by themselves.
Chris Anderson had a higher WS/48 last season. He averages more for his career than Leonard did last season, so it's not a matter of sample size. He had more than James did last season. Does that mean he's a star?
Chris Anderson played spot minutes as a big feeding off of the Heat Big 3's play. Considering all he had to do was to finish plays (mostly unguarded as James/Wade/Bosh were double-teamed now and then) and considering that his offense consisted only of dunks and therefore a high TS%, it is obvious why his WS/48 is very high (for limited minutes).
Kawhi Leonard played the bulk of the series (nearly every damn important minute), guarded the best player of the planet better than any other player in the whole effing playoffs (well Jimmy Butler guarded him nearly as much, we should give him that), played offense when everyone thought he was an afterthought by draining in mid-range jumpers, three pointers, cutting across screens and doing his bit effectively in the Spurs' motion offense and almost won the game for us (but for a missed free throw). For a second year sop re, who still hadnt' got plays run for him and was also being hampered by knee tendinitis, thats damn near great performance. It is only expected that a player who has clearly been driving up the curve quite smoothly both learning defense and offense is seen by many as a franchise mainstay.
Yet some call him over-rated.
Well Pop said he's gonna be the "face of the franchise" as in franchise player/first banana so yeah he's overrated.
He clearly meant that Leonard, as the best young player on the Spurs is going to be the face of the franchise. Thats not over-rating. Thats perspective.
And Keith Bogans was the centerpiece of the defense. We all saw how that worked out.
Still, there's a big difference between saying that Kawhi's ceiling is "best player on a bad team" or that it is "2nd team All-NBA". Being the face of the franchise doesn't automatically make you a superstar.
Double post.
Andersen actually has had a superior WS/48 over the last few years. Sure, maybe he was feeding off his team's stars, but Leonard couldn't have been doing the same?
The rest of your post is just typical Leonard pla udes. He actually didn't play James nearly as well as people think. I charted his PPP during the Finals, and he was only slightly below-average (in a good way). Of course PPP doesn't account for ball-denial, which is Kawhi's best aspect on mand defense. He was the team's best James defender, but a lot of players contributed to keeping him down.
And then Kawhi hit open shots and scored when no one thought he would. Yeah, because no one thought he would. That's why the Heat didn't make him a defensive priority. That doesn't take credit away from Kawhi, but it shouldn't be used as evidence he was a star. Green had that same level of two-way play, blocking Wade on one end and hitting the three on the other.
Anyway, I think the Spurs will offer Leonard an extension, he'll take it and he'll be on the team at least a few more years. I think the Spurs believe in him. He'll probably be a franchise mainstay. But that's not where fans are putting him. They think he'll be a star, a top-15 player. The next leader after Tim. And I disagree. I don't see him being on the Paul George trajectory at all. He'll have to become a completely different player to be able to make deep playoff runs as the first option.
Make up your mind. Your schizophrenic self just said about he "being on the block" after TD's tenure (which is why I called you an idiot) and now "he'll be on the team at least a few more years".
Kawhi has developed well in his first two years, enough for the Spurs to repose faith on him as another of those building blocks with which to construct their post-TD future. Considering that there is no else better than him in his cohort on the team, they have rightly called him the face of the franchise' future.
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