Amico: Spurs would love to land Ilyasova or Thaddeus Young

[ace3g]

Jeff McMenamin ‏@SixersBlog 3m A person familiar to the #Spurs told me he doesn't think a trade for Thad will happen. The #Sixers could get more for him in the offseason.

Jeff McMenamin ‏@SixersBlog 2m
He also doesn't see how Turner would fit in with Parker, Manu and Marco. #Sixers

[Chinook]

Make up your mind. Your schizophrenic self just said about he "being on the block" after TD's tenure (which is why I called you an idiot) and now "he'll be on the team at least a few more years".

Kawhi has developed well in his first two years, enough for the Spurs to repose faith on him as another of those building blocks with which to construct their post-TD future. Considering that there is no else better than him in his cohort on the team, they have rightly called him the face of the franchise' future.

I said he could be on the block, like they could entertain offers for him. I think they still want him, believe in him and intend to re-sign him. But do I think they're willing to max him out like a lot of posters think? Nope. They could look to trade him if he demands it this summer and Tim and Tony leave.

I don't think they have to call him anything. He's a player on the team that hovers between second and sixth best on any given night. That's pretty much true of all the core players. Being young doesn't make you the future, either. Who's the face of the Magic? The Bobcats? The Raptors? Hawks without Horford? Each of those teams have some recognizable names, but they have no clear face because there is no clear star. Some of those teams aren't even that bad. And some bad teams like the Pelicans and Kings have their franchise faces.

[Chinook]

Jeff McMenamin ‏@SixersBlog 3m A person familiar to the #Spurs told me he doesn't think a trade for Thad will happen. The #Sixers could get more for him in the offseason.

Jeff McMenamin ‏@SixersBlog 2m
He also doesn't see how Turner would fit in with Parker, Manu and Marco. #Sixers

Interesting that he mentioned the Spurs out of the relative blue. I agree Turner's a horrible fit, though. They can probably get more assets now, but they can get a better deal in July if Salary is to be considered.

[Spursfanfromafar]

I said he could be on the block, like they could entertain offers for him. I think they still want him, believe in him and intend to re-sign him. But do I think they're willing to max him out like a lot of posters think? Nope. They could look to trade him if he demands it this summer and Tim and Tony leave.

I don't think they have to call him anything. He's a player on the team that hovers between second and sixth best on any given night. That's pretty much true of all the core players. Being young doesn't make you the future, either. Who's the face of the Magic? The Bobcats? The Raptors? Hawks without Horford? Each of those teams have some recognizable names, but they have no clear face because there is no clear star. Some of those teams aren't even that bad. And some bad teams like the Pelicans and Kings have their franchise faces.

You are creating a strawman, as suits your schizophrenic self. I don't think the Spurs are going to max him out (heck, did they even max TD ever?). I think they think he will be a mainstay as a two way player who has learnt the Spurs system well and truly well and will continue to improve his role as plays are designed for him in the near future. That doesn't mean he is overrated. He is being brought up well by the Spurs. There is no way in , that he would be on the block, this season ( as you stupidly point out) or the next.

Kawhi is the Spurs' franchise face heading into the future as the big three wane. He is the bridge between the Spurs' glorious TD period and the unknown next, which doesnt' promise too bad, as the Spurs have planned it quite well with a good contract system, possibility to attract FAs and retaining their excellent FO. They can damn well call him what they want, unlike schizophrenics.

[Budkin]

Amico: "Spurs would love to Land Michael Jordan in his prime"

[Baam]

You are creating a strawman, as suits your schizophrenic self. I don't think the Spurs are going to max him out (heck, did they even max TD ever?). I think they think he will be a mainstay as a two way player who has learnt the Spurs system well and truly well and will continue to improve his role as plays are designed for him in the near future. That doesn't mean he is overrated. He is being brought up well by the Spurs. There is no way in , that he would be on the block, this season ( as you stupidly point out) or the next.

If TD retires at the end of the season then what? Everyone will be on the block to buy unprotected first to get a chance at Okafor/Embiid in the lottery and TP/Kawhi may be the only two that can get us unprotected first... Kawhi is not a centerpiece and we're not a FA destination so yeah he's on the block if Tim retires.

Kawhi is the Spurs' franchise face heading into the future as the big three wane. He is the bridge between the Spurs' glorious TD period and the unknown next, which doesnt' promise too bad, as the Spurs have planned it quite well with a good contract system, possibility to attract FAs and retaining their excellent FO. They can damn well call him what they want, unlike schizophrenics.

They haven't retained their best FO guys, Ferry who brought Green and Presti who was instrumental in drafting TP and others are gone... And small markets with no young superstar don't attract the big FAs...

[Chinook]

You are creating a strawman, as suits your schizophrenic self. I don't think the Spurs are going to max him out (heck, did they even max TD ever?). I think they think he will be a mainstay as a two way player who has learnt the Spurs system well and truly well and will continue to improve his role as plays are designed for him in the near future. That doesn't mean he is overrated. He is being brought up well by the Spurs. There is no way in , that he would be on the block, this season ( as you stupidly point out) or the next.

Kawhi is the Spurs' franchise face heading into the future as the big three wane. He is the bridge between the Spurs' glorious TD period and the unknown next, which doesnt' promise too bad, as the Spurs have planned it quite well with a good contract system, possibility to attract FAs and retaining their excellent FO. They can damn well call him what they want, unlike schizophrenics.

They maxed out Duncan twice (there was no max when he was drafted) and Ginobili once. I wouldn't expect you to know that, since you don't understand the cap at all.

I'm not creating a straw man. If anything you are. I said Kawhi is overrated. You said he's not. I said he is by people calling him a star when he's just a productive player. You said he's a star because stats and pla udes. I said those are overvalued. You said they show a productive player, I agreed and said he wasn't a star. Now, you're pretending like I'm saying he's not productive or a nice player to have around, and you're calling me a schizo for saying, "The Spurs want to keep Leonard and probably will, but they may end up teading him if his value gets overrated some more."

When it comes down to it, I wasn't talking to you. If you don't think Leonard is a superstar in the making, I don't mean you're overrating him. You quoted me (jerkily) when I said Kawhi is overrated because he's not a star. But you didn't know that last part because you didn't have the slightest idea what I meant. So after all this debate, you pretty much agree with me, but you don't want to admit it because it will make you seem foolish for criticizing my initial statement.

Seventyniner knew what I meant, which is why I said 'you know that we agree on Kawhi'. Just like I said 'we've talked about how I feel about the 2015 FA period', to you. Don't criticize someone for thwirw position without knowledge of that position.

[Chinook]

You are creating a strawman, as suits your schizophrenic self. I don't think the Spurs are going to max him out (heck, did they even max TD ever?). I think they think he will be a mainstay as a two way player who has learnt the Spurs system well and truly well and will continue to improve his role as plays are designed for him in the near future. That doesn't mean he is overrated. He is being brought up well by the Spurs. There is no way in , that he would be on the block, this season ( as you stupidly point out) or the next.

Kawhi is the Spurs' franchise face heading into the future as the big three wane. He is the bridge between the Spurs' glorious TD period and the unknown next, which doesnt' promise too bad, as the Spurs have planned it quite well with a good contract system, possibility to attract FAs and retaining their excellent FO. They can damn well call him what they want, unlike schizophrenics.

They maxed out Duncan twice (there was no max when he was drafted) and Ginobili once. I wouldn't expect you to know that, since you don't understand the cap at all.

I'm not creating a straw man. If anything you are. I said Kawhi is overrated. You said he's not. I said he is by people calling him a star when he's just a productive player. You said he's a star because stats and pla udes. I said those are overvalued. You said they show a productive player, I agreed and said he wasn't a star. Now, you're pretending like I'm saying he's not productive or a nice player to have around, and you're calling me a schizo for saying, "The Spurs want to keep Leonard and probably will, but they may end up teading him if his value gets overrated some more."

When it comes down to it, I wasn't talking to you. If you don't think Leonard is a superstar in the making, I don't mean you're overrating him. You quoted me (jerkily) when I said Kawhi is overrated because he's not a star. But you didn't know that last part because you didn't have the slightest idea what I meant. So after all this debate, you pretty much agree with me, but you don't want to admit it because it will make you seem foolish for criticizing my initial statement.

Seventyniner knew what I meant, which is why I said 'you know that we agree on Kawhi'. Just like I said 'we've talked about how I feel about the 2015 FA period', to you. Don't criticize someone for their position without knowledge of that position.

[DPG21920]

Although we knew it was a stretch disappointing to hear a major target (Young) seems unattainable. Doesn't bode well for Spurs chances to use their assets to get a trade done. Makes the off season look worse if true.

[TheGoldStandard]

Although we knew it was a stretch disappointing to hear a major target (Young) seems unattainable. Doesn't bode well for Spurs chances to use their assets to get a trade done. Makes the off season look worse if true.

Locking up Bonner was a priority... And giving Tiago 10m the first year... I mean Portland could have taken him... Then they would have won 73 games

[objective]

spurs never gave Ginobili a max deal. double digits a year, sure, but it wasn't the max.

[superjames1992]

The overrated Kawhi Leonard -

http://bkref.com/tiny/x8t8x

Third best in WS/48 for any Spur who has played in the playoffs after the useless Tim Duncan and the overrated David Robinson.

Good stuff, though it's way too small of a sample size to draw any conclusions.

[AFBlue]

Interesting that he mentioned the Spurs out of the relative blue. I agree Turner's a horrible fit, though. They can probably get more assets now, but they can get a better deal in July if Salary is to be considered.

A "person familiar to the Spurs" could be me. I'm pretty sure that's a throw away tweet.