Messi=GOD

[Brazil]

Have a look at European cup / champions league, in terms of goal per game which is more relevant than total goals Messi is not the best, gerd muller is with puskas and di stefano. It does not mean Messi is a scrub just that people have short memory.

[gnsf0946]

Have a look at European cup / champions league, in terms of goal per game which is more relevant than total goals Messi is not the best, gerd muller is with puskas and di stefano. It does not mean Messi is a scrub just that people have short memory.

Just look at 1960 UCL (puskas and di stefano biggest stars in it):

Semifinals:
Eintracht Frankfurt-Rangers > 12:4 on aggregate
Real Madrid-Barcelona > 6:2 on aggregate

Finals:
Real Madrid-Eintracht Frankfurt > 7:3 (one game!)

Those are ridiculous margins, the likes of which you won't see today.

edit: I do agree though that Messi hasn't surpassed Di Stefano...in fact I consider Di Stefano the GOAT with Diego a close 2nd

[Brazil]

I sort of agree with DAF although it's a bit premature to rank him anywhere since he's only 26 although I do think unlike other players who peak at ~28 he has or is peaking.

In any case, needing a WC to be GOAT is dumb as . These days you can't win with a team that has 3-4 very good, great players, you need stacked teams and we are seeing one of the greatest NT of all time (duh Spain)...even Germany with all its talent can't even get to the finals (chokers tbh) because it takes luck and some stars to align to win it all...Spain barely won in 2010 in case you forgot.

Messi having a very good, great showing in this WC would definitely help his case for top 3 and imo top 2 because Pele is overrated as tbh, football version of Bill Russell.

Holland made a final not sure what's your point. Don't act like Argentina is a team full of scrubs and nobody is asking him to win a wc all by himself you can make a big impact in a wc without winning it.

messi has plenty of time to show what he is capable of.

Your comparison Russell pele is stupid as nobody is saying bill Russell is the goat. Brazil has been blessed and yet nobody who has seen Pele would question his dominance. I saw most of his 1970 wc and I did not see anything to say Pele is overrated as but you probably know better

[Brazil]

Just look at 1960 UCL (puskas and di stefano biggest stars in it):

Semifinals:
Eintracht Frankfurt-Rangers > 12:4 on aggregate
Real Madrid-Barcelona > 6:2 on aggregate

Finals:
Real Madrid-Eintracht Frankfurt > 7:3 (one game!)

Those are ridiculous margins, the likes of which you won't see today.

edit: I do agree though that Messi hasn't surpassed Di Stefano...in fact I consider Di Stefano the GOAT with Diego a close 2nd

In today's champion league there are also some big scoring games especially during the first games. Look at muller efficiency, he is the definition of underrated. 35 European cup games 35 goals. The actual so called records are a bit bs as the number of games increased a lot.

im a big fan of what I saw from Di Stefano btw but I don't see how anybody would put him ahead of pele and Maradona. Sentimentally speaking I would put Garrincha goat player 58 and 62 were his masterpiece, dude was crazy good. I watched everything I could find of these two wc. Just looking at wc Garrincha > Pele by far.

[DAF86]

Sure and you are not a blind homer

I have no horse in that race, I believe I'm more objective than you are. In terms of being biased I think you are winning by a mile.

lol at you being objective. You're like lefty, underrate anything Messi does.

[Brazil]

lol at you being objective. You're like lefty, underrate anything Messi does.

don't underrate my Messi


stupid, I never underrated him, I wrote I think Messi without Xavi and iniesta in another league would continue to dominate. I'm just saying you are a freaking cheer leader for making him a top 3 all time when he has yet to show his talent during the most important compe ion in the world.

shhhh girl

[DAF86]

don't underrate my Messi


stupid, I never underrated him, I wrote I think Messi without Xavi and iniesta in another league would continue to dominate. I'm just saying you are a freaking cheer leader for making him a top 3 all time when he has yet to show his talent during the most important compe ion in the world.

shhhh girl

Ignorant got mad.

[Relevancy]

brazil going in without lube

How so? His just stating his opinion just like the rest of us, doesn't mean we have to agree with him.

Stop riding s please.

[lefty]

Brazil and I are not underrating Messi; he is a fantastic player and even though he plays for our rivals, I enjoy watching him play.
(plus, he is left footed, like me )


But top 3 all time he is not

[Relevancy]

Top 3 might be an understatement once he retires, he has all the time in the world to improve. Such player with so much accolades to his name, and so young. Scary.

[Brazil]

Ignorant got mad.

Where did I get mad exactly ?

[lefty]

Where did I get mad exactly ?

Before DAF got to sit on Messi's

[Gummi Clutch]

soccer = pussy sport.








said no one ever.

[Phenomanul]

Not sure if Phenomanul is being sarcastic or not, even if he is, pretty safe Leo will be among the best when he retires, the absolute best if he wins a World Cup

, his one of those players that even if he doesn't win the World Cup, people will still regard him as the best of all time. He just needs to perform in a spectacular fashion in the World Cup. Hard to argue against all the records his breaking and all that he has won in Barcelona.

Not being sarcastic at all... to me (and this is by definition a subjective choice) Messi is the GOAT of futbol. Again, arguably in the Top 3. But no one here can convince me he should be ranked any lower than that...

[DAF86]

Where did I get mad exactly ?

When you got out of character and started calling me names and stuff. Textbook madness, tbh.

[lefty]

But Messi = GOD !!!!!!!!

[Brazil]

When you got out of character and started calling me names and stuff. Textbook madness, tbh.

yeah because calling you cheer leader and girl that's the equivalent of calling names and stuff how cute.. I hurt your feelings ? but I'm probably being ignorant or a hater

[lefty]

yeah because calling you cheer leader and girl that's the equivalent of calling names and stuff how cute.. I hurt your feelings ? but I'm probably being ignorant or a hater

[DAF86]

yeah because calling you cheer leader and girl that's the equivalent of calling names and stuff how cute.. I hurt your feelings ? but I'm probably being ignorant or a hater

You rarely use personal attacks, the fact that you did this time makes me believe something heated up inside you, tbh.

I think you're also a little ticked off that not even Madrid's fans agree with your hater, ignorant opinion, imho.

[Brazil]

You rarely use personal attacks, the fact that you did this time makes me believe something heated up inside you, tbh.

I think you're also a little ticked off that not even Madrid's fans agree with your hater, ignorant opinion, imho.

I use personal attacks all the time tbh but I didn't see any personal attacks in those exchanges except if you consider cheer leader is a personal attack

[DAF86]

I use personal attacks all the time tbh but I didn't see any personal attacks in those exchanges except if you consider cheer leader is a personal attack

"You're nothing more than a cheer leader", "blind homer", "stupid", "shh girl"

Those are such hateful mean things to say. You're a mad, ignorant, hater.

[Brazil]

"You're nothing more than a cheer leader", "blind homer", "stupid", "shh girl"

Those are such hateful mean things to say. You're a mad, ignorant, hater.

Stupid was not a personal attack it was in reference to one of your take.

for the rest I'm sorry I hurt your feelings with cheer leader homer and shhh girl

[DAF86]

[ElNono]

when did lefty turn into a cheerleader, tbh?

the one-liners were a lot better, tbh

[ElNono]

and yeah, I called lefty a cheerleader... I'm maaaaaaaaaaad