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Seconded.
And he HAS to hit his midrange elbow jumper. Tim also needs to make a few tough shots occasionally.
Well Boner sounds about right as does uh huh, but Cojo's is lol.Haven't played enough minutes. Here's the breakdown on those guys (remember the sample is just too small):
Bonner 25mins (8.6 PER, 11.2 RS PER)
Ayres 9 mins (-2.3 PER
, 11.1 RS PER)
Cojo 9 mins (18.6 PER, 14.7 RS PER)
Seconded.
And he HAS to hit his midrange elbow jumper. Tim also needs to make a few tough shots occasionally.
Thanks for the info, Nono. These numbers confirm what the eyeball test would tell you about how poorly Tony and our role players not named splitter have been playing. Tony and Kawhi have been huge disappointments on both ends of the floor.
Look at all that production from the MLE!
WOW!
Now, I know the cheerleaders think marco and Ayres are hall of famers ... But wouldn't it be nice if the MLE could actually play decently against an eighth seed? Or at least not so damn terrible that they're benched in the second halves of the last two games (except for foul trouble)?
tbf, Marco's abysmal drop is a first in his career, IIRC.... dude has been a major disappointment this postseason...
Major Disappointment is right. This mavs would have won in six if pop put marco in the second half of game five.
I don't remember Gary Neal being being this bad as a spur in a series. As a bobcat, yes.
Sure, but there was no way to know. I mean, I'm sure some people will tell you they've seen this coming all along, but Marco putting his production from the RS would've been enough to tip this series for the Spurs a while ago.
Not saying that Neal is better. But an awful lot of people thought marco was miles better.
And if the other players had produced like the regular season, the spurs would be the second already. Some are just having a poor series, and if the spurs were to move on I think they could get back to normal. Like Kawhi, who after he came back from injury has a PER above 22. But some guys ... They're just guys.
I get what you're saying. If anything, you could doubt Mills keeping up his scorching hot game, but Marco has already been to this dance for a couple of other teams, and he's never been this horrible. And horrible is being kind...
I'm pretty sure Neal would have trouble in this series, too. Mavs have made a real effort to limit our role players. That said, Beli has been pretty dam bad in this series. He's due for a stronger showing.
I think Marco was a significant upgrade. But not in the playoffs so far.
I will withhold judgement until we (hopefully) play Portland. He played very well in Chicago's playoffs last year imo. He was forced to make plays in that situation.
If all of what we have seen so far stays the same:
All we need is a significant input from Boris including his great interior passing, some punish with huge butt backdown buckets, and a couple of 3s and we have game 7.
Boris, please read. Oh, push on Dirk some, may him take his mouth guard out to complain.
Marco needs the ball in his hands more to be effective offensively. He's a fine spot-up shooter and cutter, but he was good in that Heat series last year because he was the de facto point guard for the Bulls. Nono and I talked about this in another thread. Beli's main advantage over Green is that he is a more dynamic offensive player. But if he's reduced to a shooter, he's just Green with no defense. Iso/chucking Beli is going to do better than system Beli if the Mavs are keen on shutting down the three.
As far as Neal goes, he pretty much plays the way Beli needs to. He hogs the ball on offense and is willing to sacrifice his body on defense. He shoots even when he doesn't have a great look. That made him a worse system player, but it also makes him a better type of player for this series. I do think the Neal/Beli debate is close enough to call that part of the off-season a mistake. But if the Spurs move on, Marco will get another chance. If he wants to make the most of it, he needs to go back to last playoffs instead of trying to fit into the system.
True, Neal was selfish enough to vomit up shots even if the defense was aimed at preventing perimeter looks.
Splitter is the only one having a good series tbh. Manu was great Games 1-5 but equally as terrible in Game 6.
It'll be crazy if the Spurs still win the series but the Mavs have been the better team so far in almost every facet of the game.
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ill take blair any day
You don't need to show PER to realize how far Patty and Marco have fallen. All those who had a brown out when the Spurs signed Beli are now just realizing how marginal that signing really was.
there will be a new excuse, and then another for next year. this year it's the kid and ankle IIRC. the real reason is the Peter Principle.
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Hmmm. Sounds like Kawhi needs his minutes capped at 35, Marco needs his minutes too after all.
Yeah. He'd also counter by taking long twos off one dribble and drive on secondary penetration. His offense was underrated.
i thought Marco was at worse a lateral move, but still consider him a better overall player than Neal.
but Neal did have that ability to say " it" and shoot without fear. I definitely miss that. I ain't giving up on Marco yet, but I agree that I think Neal would've done better in this series.
Parker's PER
Kawhi has been disappointing, too.
At least our TOSBs Manu and Timmy are stepping it up, per par.
Like I said earlier, there was no way to know Marco would suck this bad. As a matter of fact, I don't even remember RMJ dropping so low in the playoffs. Heck, you could even say Hedo had his moments compared to this.
Tbh, it's still the 1st round. It's still possible he could emerge from his slump and start hitting shots in later rounds (not that I'm counting on it). The NBA Playoffs are more like a marathon than a sprint.
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