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    Jordans stat line for 88-89 season:32.5 ppg, 8 rb, 8 ast, 2.9 st, shooting ing .538 from the floor and .85 at the line.

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    once they catch james with steroids people will bash him
    I agree! If you tested him and Wade, I bet they are full of steroids!

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    Some painfully ignorant Spurs fans in this thread.

    Of course, it's a stupid thread, so that sort of lines up.

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    The reason people were so angry is that idiot kept jerking them around without making a decision and by the time he decided which I think he already knew he was leaving, all of the free agents were gone and Cleveland got nothing! He should've told management he was not going to stay and they could've signed a good free agent but kept them hoping and left! They got nothing! The embarrassment of the decision on TV was horrible to those fans! So I don't blame them for being angry!
    So the Cavs were magically going to sign a good player if he stayed after failing to do so for his entire career at the time? Riiiiight

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    Comparing stats is like looking at Robinson/Malone stats and say Duncan isn't as good because of stats.

    http://www.landofbasketball.com/play...ael_jordan.htm

    LeBron started at an younger age and is physically stronger than Jordan. It is very possible he can play for 4-5 more years at peak. He only needs 1 more regular season MVP to tie Jordan on that regard. If he wins a le this year he will only need 3 more and he is only 29, it is completely possible!

    No one will remember era's, super friends, or any of that stuff. 20 years from now they will only compare the number of MVP's and FMVP's.

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    Comparing stats is like looking at Robinson/Malone stats and say Duncan isn't as good because of stats.

    http://www.landofbasketball.com/play...ael_jordan.htm

    LeBron started at an younger age and is physically stronger than Jordan. It is very possible he can play for 4-5 more years at peak. He only needs 1 more regular season MVP to tie Jordan on that regard. If he picks up a le this year he will only need 3 more and he is only 29, it is completely possible!

    No one will remember era's, super friends, or any of that stuff. 20 years from now they will only compare the number of MVP's and FMVP's.

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    I honestly think Lebron is a better overall player. IMO, if lebron had the same luxury as duncan, at 29 he'd probably have 5 rings by now.

    I really hate to say it..but Lebron is the best player I've ever seen play..

    Anyone agree?
    What are you, 12, son?

    Kobe before his injury was hands down better than Bron.

    And Kobe ain't the Goat.

    You also forget to take into account how many times TD and the Spurs have been fixed right out the playoffs.

    Go watch some old playoff series,

    and use those eyes in your head,

    to see what actually happened.

    TD is better than Bron and Kobe.

    End of Story.

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    No way Duncan would've won no matter who drafted him lebron couldn't win till he had the superfriends. Because of this lebron can never be in his or jordan, magic, birds class guys who made players around them better and won where they were drafted. Duncan is a better defender. In his prime could've scored all the points he wanted but instead just did whatever his team needed. Duncan may be the best ever when it's all done. Even though he'll never get the recognition. Let's see what lebron does at 38 when he can't run over people or blow by them.

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    I honestly think Lebron is a better overall player. IMO, if lebron had the same luxury as duncan, at 29 he'd probably have 5 rings by now.

    I really hate to say it..but Lebron is the best player I've ever seen play..

    Anyone agree?
    luxury? LEBRON HAS PLAYED IN THE AWFUL EAST HIS ENTIRE CAREER!!!! how is tim duncan playing in the west a luxury. do u remember the 2003 playoffs. 2nd year tony parker, 2nd year ginobli, speedy claxton, devon brown, 1 foot in the grave david robinson getting heavy minutes. what is this luxury u speak of? lebron is playing in the east with 2 other top players i the league at the moments. cmon man u can't be serious
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    What are you, 12, son?

    Kobe before his injury was hands down better than Bron.

    And Kobe ain't the Goat.

    You also forget to take into account how many times TD and the Spurs have been fixed right out the playoffs.

    Go watch some old playoff series,

    and use those eyes in your head,

    to see what actually happened.

    TD is better than Bron and Kobe.

    End of Story.
    like in 2006 when the mavs shot over 20 freethrows in the 4th quarter of one game. and when the mavs and spurs both had the 2nd and 3rd best record of the ENTIRE NBA but stern started that divisional bull which meant the best 2 teams in the west played each other in the 2nd round. .4 seconds in 2004, derrick fisher was allowed to catch the ball, turn around, and then fade away. 2012 against the thunder, well u know what happened in game 6. yep, we've been fuked quite a bit.

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    Some painfully ignorant Spurs fans in this thread.

    Of course, it's a stupid thread, so that sort of lines up.
    why would u think they are spurs fans? they are the equivalent of a police informant. they log in as "spurs fans" but talk nonsense to later say, "see, i have no bias, i'm a spurs fan.."

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    why would u think they are spurs fans? they are the equivalent of a police informant. they log in as "spurs fans" but talk nonsense to later say, "see, i have no bias, i'm a spurs fan.."
    Apalisoc sucks Lebron's more than anybody I've ever seen in this forum. He's a closet Heat fan at the very least.

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    Apalisoc sucks Lebron's more than anybody I've ever seen in this forum. He's a closet Heat fan at the very least.
    He sucks KD too, I bet his wetdream is having Lebron KD and Kawhi on his bed, a truly SF fetishist.

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    Lebron is actually comparable to Duncan in so many ways as a basketball player, tbh..

    If you remove the personality/media coverage aspect, their style of basketball is so similar..they're both elite 2-way players that play team-oriented basketball, only shoot excessively when they are asked to do it, both took pay cuts for the benefit of their teams, neither guy has ever had an off-court incident or problems with teammates, etc..

    They are also 2 of only 3 players(IIRC) in the modern era to lead a team to a le while leading Points, Assists, Rebounds and one of Blocks/Steals..2003 Duncan, 1994 Hakeem and 2013 Lebron are the 3 players that carried their team to a le with relatively limited support, probably the 3 most well-rounded players I've ever seen..

    Lebron is compared to Dad Killer and even Kobe, because the media ignorantly compares the hype of players, rather than their actual style..Lebron is much closer to a Magic and Duncan type of team player, which explains his admiration for Duncan and why he said Tim is the best player of the post-Jordan generation..
    /Thread.

    Legitimate arguments can be made for either player over the other. They're the two best players of their respective generations and they play this game the way it was meant to be played.

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    Kobe before his injury was hands down better than Bron.
    horrible take

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    LeBron achieved as much as Jordan did at same age, actually more.

    Ray Allen's 3 already at least tied him with Duncan. That is not a knock on him, Duncan had a very bad series against the Pistons and needed Horry to bail him out. Everyone needs help.

    4 MVP, 2 FMVP > 2 MVP and 3 FMVP. MVP > FMVP (same reason most would rank Nash ahead of Parker back then, much harder to carry a team for a full season than 4 games). # of championships doesn't mean as much as MVP/FMVP, otherwise Kobe would be ahead of Duncan which we all know is not true. Whether Duncan deserved 2007 FMVP over Parker is irrelevant when people compare all time greats.

    If LeBron wins this year he is top 5 all time, Duncan is stuck in 6-10. Unfortunately for Duncan he plays with a small market team and inferior talents to the three-peat teams (Jordan/Pippen, Shaq/Kobe, LeBron/Wade?). Popovich did not become the best coach in the league until he is stuck with a really crappy set of cards and have to come up with the greatest system in the history of basketball.

    So yes Duncan is my favorite player and I personally believe he would be even higher in rankings if he played for a big market team, but in most rankings, LeBron would already be ahead of him today and unless LeBron gets hit by a big injury and wins no further MVP/FMVP's from here on, he will definitely be ahead of Duncan by the time he is done.
    Jordan would probably have 8 rings if he did not retire the first time. I doubt Lebron gets near that.

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    Just imagine if prime TD had the luxury of playing against today's bigs, he's a s of his former self but can still go head to head with the best. This guy was going up against prime KG, Sheed and Ben Wallace, Shaq, O'Neal, Webber etc.

    I honestly think he could've easily averaged 30+ PPG in his prime if he really wanted to, but he's so chill that it doesn't matter to him.

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    Yes, getting drafted by a competent franchise with DRob already in place instead of the joke that is Cleveland IS a luxury....

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    I honestly think Lebron is a better overall player. IMO, if lebron had the same luxury as duncan, at 29 he'd probably have 5 rings by now.

    I really hate to say it..but Lebron is the best player I've ever seen play..

    Anyone agree?
    You're trying to hard Harlem.

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    Arguments can be made for either of them.


    I just wish Timmy would get his own app.

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    Just imagine if prime TD had the luxury of playing against today's bigs, he's a s of his former self but can still go head to head with the best. This guy was going up against prime KG, Sheed and Ben Wallace, Shaq, O'Neal, Webber etc.

    I honestly think he could've easily averaged 30+ PPG in his prime if he really wanted to, but he's so chill that it doesn't matter to him.
    He still abuses todays younger bigs, you are right lol.

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    Yes, getting drafted by a competent franchise with DRob already in place instead of the joke that is Cleveland IS a luxury....
    ummm, david robinson only won 2 les with timmy. and one of those he was running on fumes.

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    DMC masturbating to my pics..

    C'mon man you're better than that

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    Firstly, peak/onfire Kobe is > TD/LBJ and anyone not named MJ or Shaq.

    He was a beast. Even Dirk said hes the most impossible guy to stop even when it was 1v5.

    Secondly, Basketball is a big mans game. Anyone under 6'10 needs major help for a ring.

    MJ had Pippen, LBJ had wade/Bosh/Allen. Kobe Shaq/Pau/Bynum

    The only people who can solo a ring are big men. Hakeem, Duncan 03.

    Too many stat s. People like Ibaka/Duncan/Hakeem/Shaq alter shots. People like MJ/Kobe alter defensive game plans including commiting more than 1 player. This cannot be measured in stats.

    I said before that id trade Ibaka sitting out the series for Parker, and i still stand by it.

    LBJ isnt in the same league as Duncan and imo can never be. BBall is a tall mans game. Number of people under 6ft in nba ? 1/4,000,000,000? number of people who make nba over 7ft? 1/2

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