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Kobe>TimKobe over Tim
It's not a "stretch" to argue him top 10, but as advanced metrics become more accepted and used, Kobe's light burns less bright. He's no doubt a really great player.
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Kobe>Tim
Shaq or Kobe over Tim =
Hmmmm, with the arrow argument, it deserves two
Kobe's stats are pathetic? 30/6/6/2/1 for his 3 straight Finals runs is pathetic? Matching prime Shaq's WS/48 and leading the Playoffs in WS in 01 while going 15-1 is pathetic?
You do know Hakeem had a pathetic .143 WS/48 in his 94-95 run
James & Durant in the Top 10? Are you 15 years old
7. Duncan
8. Shaq
9. Kobe
10. Hakeem
James is in the 3rd Tier along with Oscar & West
open your eyes!
"where they finished their career"
If it was current, I'd put Bron at about 10-12 an Durant way lower.
Joining another stars team while in the prime of his career, eliminates James from ever cracking the Immortal 6 (Jordan, Wilt, Kareem, Bird, Magic & Russel). He has a chance to match Shaq/Kobe at the end of his career. But he won't overtake the greatest Power Forward ever (Duncan).
Do not laugh at Dear Fatherland, you monkey.
Made a living from choking
Debatable at this point when you look at all accomplishments in the NBA, etc
No
Beta, bible-thumping opinion
When it all comes down, Kobe is Top 7-10. Sure he may not crack Top 5 and LeBron will rank higher than him at this point, and more so when Miami gets the three-Heat, but he is Top 10. Don't let your passionate hate for Kobe (w/c ultimately stems from your insecurity because of him routinely killing the Spurs in the playoffs) cloud your judgement.
According to my sources it is a who has been using that PoJ troll tbh.
kobe is outside top10
gap from 10-12 is not a difference
its t he 13+ where guys couldnt get it done as franchise players
Kobe: 18 elimination games(8-10):Kobe's stats are pathetic? 30/6/6/2/1 for his 3 straight Finals runs is pathetic? Matching prime Shaq's WS/48 and leading the Playoffs in WS in 01 while going 15-1 is pathetic?
You do know Hakeem had a pathetic .143 WS/48 in his 94-95 run
22.0 ppg, 5.7 reb, 3.4 ast, 1.0 stl, 0.67 blk, 41.6% FG, 77.6% FT, 25.9% 3pt
Hakeem Olajuwon(HOU): 29 elimination games(17-and-12):
26.0 ppg, 12.4 rpg, 3.1 apg, 1.6 spg, 3.2 bpg, 52.6% FG, 68.9% FT
Excluding 1998 and 1999 playoffs;
28.2 ppg 13.0 rpg 3.5 apg 3.3 bpg on .540 fg .684 ft
And I know for a fact you do not want the NBA Finals stats comparisons.Kobe's stats are pathetic? 30/6/6/2/1 for his 3 straight Finals runs is pathetic? Matching prime Shaq's WS/48 and leading the Playoffs in WS in 01 while going 15-1 is pathetic?
You do know Hakeem had a pathetic .143 WS/48 in his 94-95 run
The tape kind of choking, or 6-24 in Game 7 kind of choking?
Not even close. He was undoubtedly the one with the highest peak amongst all players post Jordan, including Lebron. The peak was short, but it was incredible. All time wise, only Larry Bird and Jordan had a peak that is comparably high.
Why?
You mean him routinely killing perimeter defenders like Steve Smith and Terry Porter?
When it all comes down, Kobe is Top 7-10. Sure he may not crack Top 5 and LeBron will rank higher than him at this point, and more so when Miami gets the three-Heat, but he is Top 10. Don't let your passionate hate for Kobe (w/c ultimately stems from your insecurity because of him routinely killing the Spurs in the playoffs) cloud your judgement.
finals stats are good, but its not a requisite. you can have a series of ty nba finals por playoffs and still make the top 10. in the case of hall of famers that won multiple championships, career #'s is what's important.
So you think 2 rings is better than 5?Made a living from choking
Debatable at this point when you look at all accomplishments in the NBA, etc
No
When it all comes down, Kobe is Top 7-10. Sure he may not crack Top 5 and LeBron will rank higher than him at this point, and more so when Miami gets the three-Heat, but he is Top 10. Don't let your passionate hate for Kobe (w/c ultimately stems from your insecurity because of him routinely killing the Spurs in the playoffs) cloud your judgement.
So you think RS MVP awards trump 3 rings?
So you think Finals MVP trumps an extra ring?
Explain the Kobe over Duncan argument then.
Prime Kobe was better than prime Hakeem regardless. Elimination game averages are so low due to them either not being compe ive (Kobe playing less minutes, taking considerably less field goal attempts) or they were from Kobe's earlier days, when he was 2nd fiddle to Shaq, the Game 7 2010 Finals doesn't help his fg% either.
Kobe led a team to more Finals appearances to Hakeem and took his teams deeper in the Playoffs and had a longer career as a top player in the league. Hakeem had a great run in 94 and a decent run in 95(WCF & Finals were amazing), but he did take considerably more shots to average those points. I feel like his numbers are a product of the system they ran in Houston because otherwise he would have had more success and would have led teams to more Finals appearances. He couldn't get out of the 1st round with Barkley & Pippen on his team, 20 yr old Kobe outplayed him (18 7 6 with 2 spg 2 bpg on 41/36/94 shooting vs Hakeem's 13 & 7 on 43% shooting)
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2. Led??? In 2000, during the regular season, Bryant averaged almost 29 points and five assists per game. How did these stats translate over to the NBA Finals? They lowered to 15 points and four assists per game. Shaq, on the other hand, raised his scoring average, from 28 in the regular season to 38 in the finals.
In 2001, the Lakers once again won the NBA Finals. Kobe’s scoring average dropped in the clutch once again, forcing O’Neal to step up his scoring from 27 per game in the regular season to 33 in the finals.
In 2002, For the third straight year, Kobe’s scoring and assists declined in the series and O’Neal of course stepped it up in the finals.
In his first three years, Kobe had the privilege of watching Shaq put up three of most dominant finals performances ever. In fact at the time of Shaq’s third championship, he was averaging the most points per game in NBA finals history.
In the 2004 NBA Finals, Shaq averaged 26.6 points per game with a .631 field goal percentage, while Kobe Bryant averaged 22.6 points per game with a .381 field goal percentage.
However, the main reason Kobe cost the Lakers the le was that he out shot Shaq by nearly six shots despite Kobe shooting 38.1 %, while Shaq was shooting 63.1 %.
In 2008 NBA finals against the Celtics with this time Kobe being the “man,” he again let his team down. Against the Celtics, he shot .405 from the field and averaged 3.83 turnovers a game. In fact, in three out of their four losses he shot under 35 % from the field.
Kobe – 37 games: 25.3ppg, 5.7rpg, 5.05apg, 1.76spg, 0.9bpg, 41.2% FG, 31.3%3pt, 84.7% FT
3. 1986 Finals - Celtics/Rockets - VS McHale/Parish frontcourt
Hakeem - 24.7 PPG, 47.9 FG%, 11.8 Rebounds. 2.3 STL, 3,2 Blks (Age 23)
1994
26.9 pts, 50% FG. 9.1 RBDS, 3.6 ASTS, 1.5 STL, 3.9 BLKS
1995
32.8 PPG, 11.5 RPG, 5.5 APG, 2.0 SPG, 2.0 BPG 48% FG
TOTALS = 28.1 PPG, 10.8 RPG, 3.63 ASTS, 1.93 STLS, 3 BPG, 48.6 % FG
So, in 4 more tries than Hakeem, Kobe is still less efficient than Hakeem, averaged less points, averaged only 2 more assists than Hakeem, averaged less steals than Hakeem (a SG with less steals than a C) and less blocks, AND this is WITH Shaq being double and tripled teamed for 4 finals appearances. Ok I'm done.
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