NBA: Series OVA

[Thebesteva]

parker a playmaker? hahahahahahahahahaah, explain why duncan only had 1fga in the 2nd half game 1, explain why gm2 4th quarter he didnt didnt receive the ball to attempt a fg?

N0 lyf3 worrying about our bet. If he only honored th bet people would actually respect him a teenth

[Thebesteva]

I wouldn't worry about Lebron vs. Kobe anymore. Lebron has already surpassed him (unless we can somehow get him to choke in epic fashion).

And no, this isn't me in my Kobe hating form. Kobe is in my top 10. He's the most versatile scorer the game has seen, with impeccable footwork and great work ethic. His game has flaws and he's overrated in some aspects (clutch, defense), but Kobe is an all-time great.

But Lebron is like taking Shaq's physical dominance and giving it wide receiver speed and a 38" vertical. Add in Lebron's passing, rebounding, and now polished jumper, and you have the most complete player basketball has ever seen. This is a wing player who is averaging 56% shooting in the playoffs and just drilled the most versatile wing defense in the NBA for 35 on 63%.

I'm not fanboying it up ala CN, either. Just calling it as I see it. I have no idea how to stop this guy. This isn't 2011 Lebron, where his jumper was still a little shaky and he hadn't really gelled with Miami's team yet.

He's on another level right now.

Just have to hope he chokes. No defensive scheme can handle him.

If he lost these finals, he wouldnt surpass him. 2 out of 5 finals would be a disasterous resume for a Lebron type player. However, me thinks he is going to be the first to win 4 in a row, then lose and then win another 1-2 and retire. It sucks because I truly feel he is a piece of and as every poll on planet earth indicates, no one likes the dude outside of bandwagoners. But its not looking good.

BTW, lot of Laker fan boys that used to be guys I would talk about Lakers related stuff went from sucking Kobe's mushroom tip and laughing at Lebron to being Lebron fans. So Im starting to think its just a fan boy gene going around.

[TDMVPDPOY]

spurs had no business being the finals,

when ur leader quits in game 6 and looking forward to fatherhood

all of a sudden spurs in the finals, his eyes lit up...another opportunity to steal fmvp, yet this fkn clown has forgotten u must win the chip to win fmvp, unless ur happy to be the 2nd comming of jerry, i assume enrique doesnt care whether its coming 1st or 2nd, cause coming is ming to him....

[midnightpulp]

lebron is playing fantastic, but the spurs were in position to go up 2-0 despite that. one man won't beat the spurs if they're playing well, even if its lebron

This feels like a big IF right now.

Diaw, the hero who scored 26 points in game 6 of the WCF, is giving us nothing on offense. Kawhi looks lost. Tiago isn't made for this series. Beli sucks. Danny Green is the only bright spot, and he's a dim one at that. The big 3 is simply too old to carry the load, and I just have no faith in the supporting cast right now.

That said, Miami can't beat the Spurs over 7 games if they played like they did tonight. Lebron can't go 14-22 every game, but I expect Wade to come alive at some point and one of their scrubs to have a fluke game or two, so Lebron is likely to get help at home. Meanwhile, Manu is due for a 3-9, 4TO game and Parker is a roll of the dice anymore. The only constant is Duncan, but 19ppg isn't good enough to win this series if no one else is stepping up. Duncan really is a 2nd or 3rd banana at this point in his career, but he still has to be the best player every night.

[midnightpulp]

If he lost these finals, he wouldnt surpass him. 2 out of 5 finals would be a disasterous resume for a Lebron type player. However, me thinks he is going to be the first to win 4 in a row, then lose and then win another 1-2 and retire. It sucks because I truly feel he is a piece of and as every poll on planet earth indicates, no one likes the dude outside of bandwagoners. But its not looking good.

BTW, lot of Laker fan boys that used to be guys I would talk about Lakers related stuff went from sucking Kobe's mushroom tip and laughing at Lebron to being Lebron fans. So Im starting to think its just a fan boy gene going around.

I'm a fan of his game, but I would like our guys to bury him. Be a big feather in the cap for this franchise.

Depends on how Lebron loses if it'll hurt his legacy. They almost lost tonight, despite him playing near flawless. If he loses like that, then I think he vaults into the top 5 anyway (not according to Media, who only know how to count rings), but if he chokes, he's right back at the bottom of the top ten.

[Thebesteva]

This feels like a big IF right now.

Diaw, the hero who scored 26 points in game 6 of the WCF, is giving us nothing on offense. Kawhi looks lost. Tiago isn't made for this series. Beli sucks. Danny Green is the only bright spot, and he's a dim one at that. The big 3 is simply too old to carry the load, and I just have no faith in the supporting cast right now.

That said, Miami can't beat the Spurs over 7 games if they played like they did tonight. Lebron can't go 14-22 every game, but I expect Wade to come alive at some point and one of their scrubs to have a fluke game or two, so Lebron is likely to get help at home. Meanwhile, Manu is due for a 3-9, 4TO game and Parker is a roll of the dice anymore. The only constant is Duncan, but 19ppg isn't good enough to win this series if no one else is stepping up. Duncan really is a 2nd or 3rd banana at this point in his career, but he still has to be the best player every night.

I dont get this whole 'No way Lebron does that again'. Its like the Lakers 3 peat team, some games Shaq would dominate, others it was Kobe, sometimes the role players. Lebron doesnt have to perform to that level for them to win again. Spurs looked lost in game 1 prior to the cramping

[TDMVPDPOY]

That said, Miami can't beat the Spurs over 7 games if they played like they did tonight. Lebron can't go 14-22 every game, but I expect Wade to come alive at some point and one of their scrubs to have a fluke game or two, so Lebron is likely to get help at home. Meanwhile, Manu is due for a 3-9, 4TO game and Parker is a roll of the dice anymore. The only constant is Duncan, but 19ppg isn't good enough to win this series if no one else is stepping up. Duncan really is a 2nd or 3rd banana at this point in his career, but he still has to be the best player every night.

i say this once again, enrique is a piece of , duncan 19ppg most of it is in the first half, 2nd half his production is like 2ppg, whose to blame? fck enrique and fck his fan base, either u continue to feed duncan or stop with the bs hero ball


i see the kawhi fans are also frustrated, this year is no different to any previous 2 years, spend all your energy on defense to the point of being fouled out or playing in foul trouble for no gain, to see some head blowup another missed opportunity basket from a hard fought defensive play by kawhi.....

[TDMVPDPOY]

I dont get this whole 'No way Lebron does that again'. Its like the Lakers 3 peat team, some games Shaq would dominate, others it was Kobe, sometimes the role players. Lebron doesnt have to perform to that level for them to win again. Spurs looked lost in game 1 prior to the cramping

lebron didnt perform last season, his finals production avgs were below his playoff/season avgs

this finals wouldve been the same had he not shown up for game2, he was on pace to be tosb

[midnightpulp]

I dont get this whole 'No way Lebron does that again'. Its like the Lakers 3 peat team, some games Shaq would dominate, others it was Kobe, sometimes the role players. Lebron doesnt have to perform to that level for them to win again. Spurs looked lost in game 1 prior to the cramping

Shaq and Kobe were a better 1-2 punch than Lebron/Wade. 3 peat peak Shaq is quite possibly the best basketball player ever, very least top 5, and Kobe is obviously better than a 32 year old Wade. And those Lakers were filled out with some of the best role players of all-time: Horry, Fisher, Rick Fox, etc. Ray Allen is really the only good role player they have, unless in' Rashard Lewis keeps it up. The addition of Bosh might put these Heat on that level (those Lakers did lack a 3rd star) but that remains to be seen.

Spurs have a good chance at this series IF the role players, which are supposed to be the best in the league, find some consistency. Leonard needs to be that 4th guy or even the 3rd guy, but he just can't find his game. I think he really is the key to beating Miami. If the Big 3+Leonard can equalize James, Wade, and Bosh, the Spurs have a great shot.

[Thebesteva]

Shaq and Kobe were a better 1-2 punch than Lebron/Wade. 3 peat peak Shaq is quite possibly the best basketball player ever, very least top 5, and Kobe is obviously better than a 32 year old Wade. And those Lakers were filled out with some of the best role players of all-time: Horry, Fisher, Rick Fox, etc. Ray Allen is really the only good role player they have, unless in' Rashard Lewis keeps it up. The addition of Bosh might put these Heat on that level (those Lakers did lack a 3rd star) but that remains to be seen.

Spurs have a good chance at this series IF the role players, which are supposed to be the best in the league, find some consistency. Leonard needs to be that 4th guy or even the 3rd guy, but he just can't find his game. I think he really is the key to beating Miami. If the Big 3+Leonard can equalize James, Wade, and Bosh, the Spurs have a great shot.

Honestly, I had this one of two ways. Either Spurs lose game 2 and only 2 (just like when I told you dont bet on game 1 for Spurs to lose. I recall you do that for supers ious reasons tho) not game 1. They go to Miami and come back down 3-1 after a close game. Series ends in 6, or scenario two, Spurs go up 2-0, lose the next 2 and it was a 2-2 series with Heat winning in 7.

I am not a psychic obviously, basketball is kind of predictable. NFL on the other hand is a ing mystery to me.

[TDMVPDPOY]

there is clearly a huge difference expecting everyone to stand up compared to given the opportunity to stand up

cant do that when u a volume scoring pg who doesnt pass the ball

patty mills should learn from history past about the spurs championship runs, guys who bail out the choke artists will never get paid

[spurraider21]

Honestly, I had this one of two ways. Either Spurs lose game 2 and only 2 (just like when I told you dont bet on game 1 for Spurs to lose. I recall you do that for supers ious reasons tho) not game 1. They go to Miami and come back down 3-1 after a close game. Series ends in 6, or scenario two, Spurs go up 2-0, lose the next 2 and it was a 2-2 series with Heat winning in 7.

I am not a psychic obviously, basketball is kind of predictable. NFL on the other hand is a ing mystery to me.

you seem to have everything all figured out, coulda fooled me

[Thebesteva]

you seem to have everything all figured out, coulda fooled me

Hows that?

[dg7md]

Honestly, I had this one of two ways. Either Spurs lose game 2 and only 2 (just like when I told you dont bet on game 1 for Spurs to lose. I recall you do that for supers ious reasons tho) not game 1. They go to Miami and come back down 3-1 after a close game. Series ends in 6, or scenario two, Spurs go up 2-0, lose the next 2 and it was a 2-2 series with Heat winning in 7.

I am not a psychic obviously, basketball is kind of predictable. NFL on the other hand is a ing mystery to me.

I don't think Miami will win both home games, it's rare that teams win both home games in the playoffs, and when it does happen, it does usually go to 7. I might be wrong on the technical statistics but usually there is a split. The Spurs usually don't win both home (or away) games in a playoff scenario, but we have a very good record in game 5's and 7's all things considered.

We lost in Dallas twice, Portland once, OKC twice, while we've beaten every team at least once on the road. Using the predictability method it would suggest we win game 3 or 4 in Miami, and all we need is one there.

[spurraider21]

Hows that?

you are giving such specific predictions... "the spurs will have to win with an epic game like 0.4 in game 3 to survive otherwise its over in 6"

[Thebesteva]

you are giving such specific predictions... "the spurs will have to win with an epic game like 0.4 in game 3 to survive otherwise its over in 6"

You still think Spurs have a solid shot dont u?

[spurraider21]

You still think Spurs have a solid shot dont u?

its a 1-1 series. of course i think the spurs have a shot. once they fall behind 3-1 i'll basically give up hope. if they make it back 2-2 thats all that matters

[TDMVPDPOY]

its a 1-1 series. of course i think the spurs have a shot. once they fall behind 3-1 i'll basically give up hope. if they make it back 2-2 thats all that matters

expected u to give up hope after hearing enrique is healthy for the finals, cause his eyes lit up another opportunity to steal fmvp or lose it all.....

[djohn2oo8]

The only chance the Spurs have is if LeBron again has to do everything. If he and Wade or Bosh are dominating, it's over.

[Franklin]

Lebron will choke and revert to the 2011 mode then there will come our chance, imho

[mavsfan1000]

Lebron will choke and revert to the 2011 mode then there will come our chance, imho

2011 mode is ancient history. His shot is too reliable these days. He has become more unguardable than ever due to that.

[daslicer]

there are teams and fanbases who accept tosb leading their teams to nowhere as long they get their moneys worth, enrique doesnt give u any of that....

would u rather pay to go watch duncan chuck every possession while his still in the league win/loss is not important, entertainment value for ur money is more important, or do you enjoy watchin a midget ballhog?

There is some truth to your Parker haterade shtick. I do agree with you on that Parker has a tendency to play hero ball and take stupid shots at times that screws up the ball movement. From about '03-'08 I felt that Parker was only the third best player on the spurs because he would always disappear in the big games while Ginobili would always bring it under the extreme pressure. Parker in my eyes after '08 became the best player on the spurs. Even though he tends to be shaky at times he is the reason why the Spurs have remained elite and also the reason why Duncan,Manu can still play at a high level since he carries the load during the regular season. With Parker I have learned you have to accept the good and the bad but good always outweighs the bad. Unfortunately your hatred clouds your judgement to see the good. Without Parker the spurs would get swept by Miami that is just me being real.

[resistanze]

Again, the cliff jumping is pretty stupid. The Spurs HAD to win in Miami if they wanted to win the le. You basically can't win a le by only winning home games.

So I don't know why game 2 was the final determinant that the Spurs would lose - you should've thought they were gonna lose anyway if you didn't think they could win on the road before the series started.

[TDMVPDPOY]

There is some truth to your Parker haterade shtick. I do agree with you on that Parker has a tendency to play hero ball and take stupid shots at times that screws up the ball movement. From about '03-'08 I felt that Parker was only the third best player on the spurs because he would always disappear in the big games while Ginobili would always bring it under the extreme pressure. Parker in my eyes after '08 became the best player on the spurs. Even though he tends to be shaky at times he is the reason why the Spurs have remained elite and also the reason why Duncan,Manu can still play at a high level since he carries the load during the regular season. With Parker I have learned you have to accept the good and the bad but good always outweighs the bad. Unfortunately your hatred clouds your judgement to see the good. Without Parker the spurs would get swept by Miami that is just me being real.

you remove duncan from 08+ and ur lottery bound no matter who u replace him with

enrique is replaceable, i dont buy into his volume scoing, cause at the end of the day he is still that same player from day 1 who disappears with the same defensive tactic scheme against him,

he benefited playing on a winning team to actually think his a top5 pg to the point of really t hinking he was a legitimate mvp candidate,

there is an abundance of pg in the league that could replace this clown whether its floor general or scoring whatever you decide...

you cant be top5 pg at the same time allowing the opposing pg achieve their rs avgs or score career highs...

how many games pop pulled him out of games cause he was a negative outlier costing the team to win? and u see the bench or backup bailing out his choke job

this guy pads his stats cause his given the green light, how many times do you actually see him score when it matters? or how many times he pads his stats in scrub minutes cause his been outplayed that night or previous night just to even out his seasonal avgs...

remember this is the same guy who open his big mouth after his fake ass injury performance of game 4 finals last year, injured but has no problem chucking himself to a high pts game overglorifying that joordan moment injury game, then chokes in game 5 blames it on the injury, same clown who gave away the details to stop green cause green was also a candidate to win fmvp with his hot shooting streak in the finals...game6 with ginobolis 8turnovers spurs was always in control all game with a comfortable lead, then enrique who was having a poor performance comes into the 4th quarter felt the need to hero ball consecutive possessions cause the spurs was a sure win to him and he needed a late push for fmvp...rest was history due to his selfishness

the same sort of we seen for game 1+2 repeating like game 6+7 performance....

[TDMVPDPOY]

Again, the cliff jumping is pretty stupid. The Spurs HAD to win in Miami if they wanted to win the le. You basically can't win a le by only winning home games.

So I don't know why game 2 was the final determinant that the Spurs would lose - you should've thought they were gonna lose anyway if you didn't think they could win on the road before the series started.

i rather be 2 up then go into miami 1-1, still have to win the next couple of games, but it gives you a cushion in case u drop a game...