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he better not get even close to the max, that is a mistake loser franchises make.
Tim will not leave 10m on the table with a championship level team awaiting him. Hes not going quietly... he's going to run till the wheels fall off and you still got your wheels when you're up 3-1 in the Finals.
he better not get even close to the max, that is a mistake loser franchises make.
This franchise has paid
10M< for Splitter this season...
10M< for Richard Jefferson...
I don't want to imagine the amount of $$$ Kawhi will get
I think Mills will not get much more than Gary Neal. We will not pay more than that in my opinion, our offer would be 3 year 9 M at max.
Yes Milss shined in finals but Neal shined much more last year. Mills' averages are 7 pts, 1.4 assists, 1.5 rebounds in 15 minutes in playoffs. I believe no one will offer him 5M per year.
Im getting really sick of this narrow view. There are several reasons why this is a pretty short sighted.
1. Patty is starting to show he is a good passer, he can create for himself plus his assist ratio has been increasing all season.
2. If you factor in his rate of improvement in all aspects of his game since he became a spur, is it so hard to imagine that he won't improve his pg play? Right now he does not have to carry this load, but over time he can grow into it given the opportunity to do so. His work with the ant is proof.
3. He is 25 years old, and this is the spurs, we develop players who have the right cons ution to be the best they can be and what we need them to be. We don't install a revolving door, that's why we win 50+ a year. Patty is a long term spur, he Kawhi, Danny and Tiago are the future pieces that we build the next dynasty around.
Patty is a point guard who is also talented enough to have some 2 guard skills also.
you want to know why we play such amazing basketball, it's because the top end demand it, put the team first, guys like Patty will be that same at ude guy when new blood comes in, post big 3.
stop playing 2k franchise mode and pay attention to how your team has gone about its business the last 20 years.
The only problem with not giving max is the amount of other suitors. My hope is that this franchise is a perfect fit, and he wants to stay.
And you know what Pop values, a back up pg who turns the ball over once every four champ games against the Heat. Look after the rock, first and fmost. Millsy is doin work.
Patty fan or not, you have never met him, have you? He is a different cat. Not having a go btw, but that's not his motivator fwiw, and he is also the type of guy who would rather earn the start here than be gifted it else where.
he also has not forgotten who plucked him out of the wilderness when the blazers waived him.
he is an aboriginal man, an island man, a family man.
id be shocked if patfo wanted him and he left.
i could see SA offering 5 yrs/$50M to Kawhi this summer to tie him up now, and if he wants more waiting to see what the market does next summer. They can beat any offer he gets. But if Kawhi wants the security of a guaranteed contract extension this summer the cost for that will be a bit of a discount.
Patty and Boris are suddenly good players because of the Spurs system. They will just fade away if they sign up elsewhere. Remember Boris was cut by the Bobcats while Patty was insignificant in Portland?
Exactly
I really think Mills will stay. To me he is different than Neal in the way he IS a spur. He has the right at ude from the very beginning, he is very coachable and Pop likes that (a lot), he made the efforts to be a better defender, he lost weight and above all he is so team oriented. And is a legitimate 3-pt shooter.
In a way he symbolizes what this team is making right now, winning without a true superstar (TP is VERY good but not a star, like Lebron, KD... and he is certainly not paid like them). Team first, passes, effort and win oriented. Win and not me, me, me.
I just love the guy, he is what we need and at 25 he certainly will improve also. I think the FO values that and if this means by paying the guy, I assume they will (that being said I highly doubt he gets more than 5M a year on the market but I'm far from an expert, I assume the length of the contract could be a major factor).
And for Boris of course the FO wants him to stay, and I assume he would be ok for a discount, he made his dollars already and he just LOVES playing in SA, the way he likes to play, with a spirit he likes. The big question is the length of his contract. He proved that he belongs here and is a very valuable, on all the levels, offense, defense, 2nd best passer of the team and he has proved this year that he can be a major factor at the bigger stage, he is just outstanding in the finals, tied in my opinion with Kawhi for biggest factor. He has the right skill set and mindset and history has proved that FO rewards this.
I think the FO will what is needed to keep them both
Last edited by Macca76; 06-14-2014 at 05:08 AM.
I think the FO will want to sign patty, but will let him walk if he's chasing money. It would be ty to see him go, but I think he has earned more this year than Neal did last year, and he's a coachable player, which speaks volumes.
What other bench player could we get, that is as team oriented as patty, that can create his own shot, and is not a TO machine?
I can't think of any, which may be another reason people will pay him possibly more than he is worth.
Boris was cut from the Bobcats because he didn't want to play for that loser organization anymore, but not because of his skills as a player. SJax and Bobo were killing teams for a while there.
lets win the ring then discuss all this
Patty will be our PG future tbh...
I agree
That's way too much of a discount for Kawhi. He will almost certainly get offered a max contract if we let him go in to restricted free agency, and we will be foolish not to match it. With the cap going up, a starting max contract for Kawhi will be around $14m, and a 5 year deal with max increases will be around $80m/5yr.
If we could get Kawhi to start at $12m, thus giving him a $70m/5yr or $54/4yr contract, would be a good deal and an acceptable discount.
As for Diaw and Mills, if we can get both for a combined £8m we'll have done well. Diaw won't want to go to a lottery team and a lottery team should rightfully be wary of paying him big money, and no contender will have the cap room to pay him more than the MLE.
As for Mills, I think he is worth around a Neal level deal of $3m. Theres a chance a team would offer him more, just look at the Cavs giving Jarrett Jack $25m/4yr, but if that happens and he wants to get paid then I wouldn't be mad at him and I'd wish him luck.
Pay Diaw $15m/3yr and Patty $9m/3yr and I think everyone is happy.
Diaw at 5M while Splitter gets twice as much, might as well ask him to play for the minimum...
7.5M like Manu is the absolute minimum for Boris...
+1
I will lay money that Mills won't leave the spurs, even for more money. He will take a reasonable offer like the one suggested above. He is a great fit on the team and is loyal. Plus he's learned/is still learning from some of the best in the league and is gaining confidence by the minute. And he still has plenty of room to get better.
As it pertains to cap space, here's how I see it breaking down. We don't have any cap room this year regardless if we want to bring back Diaw and Mills, and even if we don't then we only have $9m assuming Duncan opts in. Simply put, there's no downside in cap terms to bringing Diaw and Mills back next year.
2015 is where it gets interesting. It could be the best free agent class ever, with Love, Aldridge, Gasol and possibly Lebron, Bosh and Melo. We are clearly looking towards that class with the way Splitters contract has been structured.
First of all it should be clear that if Duncan or Manu come back for 2015 and want to make anything more than the mini-MLE or vet minimum, we aren't going to have cap space for anybody so the debate is over before it begins. Assuming they both retire though, here's how it could look:
If we resign Mills, Diaw and can get Kawhi at a slight discount (starting $12m instead of $14m), we could be looking at a payroll of
Kawhi $12m
Splitter $8.5m
Diaw $5m
Mills $3m
Next comes our important free agents for that year, Parker and Green. If we can sign them starting around their current salaries, thats...
Parker $13m
Green $4m
Totall all that up and we have $44.5m committed to those 6 players. Add in around $3m of cap holds for the rest of the roster we go to $47.5m, meaning we could offer a $15m contract to somebody assuming a cap of $62.5m.
Is $15m enough for those free agents mentioned? I think it's certainly enough to bring in Marc Gasol (who is my #1 choice outside of Lebron), but perhaps not enough for Love, Aldridge or Melo.
Personally I don't think it's worth turning down Mills at $3m/yr just to roll the dice for a player like Love, Aldridge or Melo, none of whom will bring in the defence that we will lose with Duncan retiring.
Mills is a ball-handler now and it continues to improve at an impressive pace. His improvement to today is remarkable and shows no signs of dropping off. He is a late bloomer, that is all. So was Dirk. Patty could literally become Tony's replacement as his court vision and ball-handling improve. Think 4-5 years from now.
Do not let this guy go. He won many games for us this year, and has proven himself in the Finals against the super-team that has won the last 2 les. He is the proverbial diamond in the rough that the Spurs are famous for finding for magic beans.
And I said all this when he was fat and uncoordinated in 2012 when we signed him. I saw the potential and knew it could go this way. And Patty has not disappointed. He is a consummate Spur. He was not groomed to be the backup point guard. Like Danny Green, he fought harder than ever to improve and get where he is, forcing Pop to use him.
And Diaw, there is no 2014 explosion without Diaw. The improvements in the system would not have borne the fruit they have this year without the personnel improvements. Diaw and Patty are the two keys to it all. Marco contributed for the regular season portion; shame his playoffs have been muted (cept' that big 3 in game 3).
I could not agree more. Perfect analysis. People are seriously underrating what Patty has brought. HE IS NOT EASILY REPLACEABLE. Seriously, we were pining for busted up TJ Ford before Patty emerged. Backup point guards good enough for contending teams are very very hard to come by.I'm a COJO hater. The guy never showed up when he had minutes as a backup last year in the playoffs/season. IMO people are overrating what he did against OKC when they had stopped trying...
Mills made Manu's job in the bench so much easier this year, running point, hitting open shots, provide the energy on both ends, hit CRAZY shots. Like I said before, Mills won us homecourt this year... He stepped up when our old guys rested when he EXPLODED and hit crazy shots against the Blazers, Bobcats, Clippers, Warriors, Wizards, etc.
Plus, you can't buy team chemistry. Patty was the glue that kept everyone's head up even in his bench warming days. The guy made "frogging"
IMO Mills is worth 4yr/ 20M
you are probably mistaking ball handler with the guy that gets the ball to the other side of the court.
I don't think those words mean what you think they mean. You have some of the worst takes I have read on this site (excluding troll posts). Pithy one-liners are not argument.
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