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    Lol kawhi being a role player. off

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    According to Sham's website, the max for this year for a player with 6 yrs experience or less is $13.7M. I assume the max increase is 7.5%.

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    According to Sham's website, the max for this year for a player with 6 yrs experience or less is $13.7M. I assume the max increase is 7.5%.
    That's for 2013-14 based on a 58M cap. 2014-15 will be based on a cap of 63M. Kawhi's max salary will be based on 25% of the cap for 2015-16.

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    Well, the last 3 games is the most expensive showcase in the history of the NBA.

    I like him, but he aint worth that much. He was a good roleplayer before the 3 games, but you ignore those 3 games (which granted are huge huge) he isnt 80 million player

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    I support the FO's decision here. Pay the man.

    I am very curious to see how he progresses forward from here, now that he has been guaranteed big money rolling into his bank account every two weeks.

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    KL was the #3 scorer on the Spurs for the regular season and the playoffs. He's a terrific talent, but is not yet worth the max IMO. The Spurs' system ensures that no single player is indispensable. Also the Spurs' pitch to him will involve a plan of how they can put enough pieces around him to contend for the le. If TP is worth 12.5m per, I think they can agree on something like 14m per year with Kawhi.

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    holy ing no he wasn't. He was he best player for 3 games in the finals.

    Uh yes he was, he's been the MVP all along.

    32-10 with him to start the season, 8-8 when he had his broken hand, and they go on a 19 game winning streak the first game he comes back.

    He made Portland quit (TP didn't even have to play in the last game), he was excellent against OKC as well, and could've easily dominated Dallas if TP wasn't in hero mode and Pop drew some plays for him. Manu wasn't that great these playoffs, nor was TP, are people seriously already forgetting?

    The MVP just confirmed what I knew all along, he was MVP. The coaching staff knows how great he is, they don't even call plays for the guy, he's pretty much free styling out there, getting whatever he can however he can.

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    I hope Kawhi becomes the best player in the NBA.. but i just don't see him being able to live up to a max contract. If the Spurs want to contend after Timmy and Manu are gone, they need to leave room for another max level player and have Kawhi as the 2nd/3rd option. I think 4-$55M is fair for both sides.

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    Tim was hands down our best player this postseason, Kawhi was better the last 3 games.

    Don't think he deserves 5/80 but it doesn't matter really since the rumor is bull .

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    Kawhi isn't a max player but he may eventually be one. I doubt the Spurs will give him a max contract at this point.

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    I love Kawhi, but he is not worth 16 million a year. That's going to handcuff the Spurs' salary cap and he will be struggling to be worth that much.

    I realize they want to keep him, but jesus. 16m is a lot.

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    I love Kawhi, but he is not worth 16 million a year. That's going to handcuff the Spurs' salary cap and he will be struggling to be worth that much.

    I realize they want to keep him, but jesus. 16m is a lot.
    The Kawhi salary discussion is most frequently framed in the wrong terms, IMO.

    Is he worth the max? That's the wrong question. It's actually irrelevant when discussing Kawhi's future with the Spurs.

    The only question that matters is: Will Kawhi command a max offer sheet if he reaches restricted free agency in the summer of 2015?

    If the answer to that question is yes, then the Spurs will have to match that offer, or a get him to sign a five year contract very close the max before he signs the offer sheet. They simply can't let him leave, despite the impact on the payroll.

    It's not the same as Patty or Boris where there is a number at which it becomes impossible to pay a market price and you have to let the player leave. Kawhi's maximum market price is 25% of the salary cap for 4 years. If he gets that offer, it must be matched.

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    His market value is dependent on what other teams believe he is worth..He might not have the stats, hops etc yet but winning finals MVP skyrockets your value among risk taking GM's..The spurs are going to have to match whatever offer other clubs make, which according to chinook would be around 4/64 which is still 16 million dollars...

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    You match a max deal, and you offer a five-year near-max deal. You don't offer a max extension.
    You CAN'T offer a 5 year NEAR MAX extension. If it's not MAX, it can only be for four years, and then you're in a Kevin Love "I'm cranky and blowing out of this small market" situation.

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    You CAN'T offer a 5 year NEAR MAX extension. If it's not MAX, it can only be for four years, and then you're in a Kevin Love "I'm cranky and blowing out of this small market" situation.
    He knows all that. Read his post in context.

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    Is it true that only max contracts can exceed five year terms?
    Nothing can exceed five years now. For players on rookie deals, an EXTENSION can only be five years if it is for the MAX. If it's for less, like Kevin Love, it can only be for four years.

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    Um, Kawhi just established himself as the heir apparent to the Spurs throne.

    This dude got a rebound and outran Damian Lillard for a dunk, dribbling between two defenders....he can dribble a bit
    He guarded Durant and Westbrook and made the series clinching defensive play with his unbelievable block on Westbrook
    He awoke in game 3, on the road and threw it down like Dr. J for about 100 mins of nearly flawless basketball....on both ends of the court...all while guarding LeBron and Wade
    Kawhi's test drive is over.....he's the . Period!

    Pay this man and pay him now!

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    5/80is way too much, i'll give him a 5/60 deal

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    5/80is way too much, i'll give him a 5/60 deal
    Are you prepared to see him play for another NBA team?

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    The Kawhi salary discussion is most frequently framed in the wrong terms, IMO.

    Is he worth the max? That's the wrong question. It's actually irrelevant when discussing Kawhi's future with the Spurs.

    The only question that matters is: Will Kawhi command a max offer sheet if he reaches restricted free agency in the summer of 2015?

    If the answer to that question is yes, then the Spurs will have to match that offer, or a get him to sign a five year contract very close the max before he signs the offer sheet. They simply can't let him leave, despite the impact on the payroll.

    It's not the same as Patty or Boris where there is a number at which it becomes impossible to pay a market price and you have to let the player leave. Kawhi's maximum market price is 25% of the salary cap for 4 years. If he gets that offer, it must be matched.
    I don't think he will get offered a max though. Let's look at a similar player production-wise; Luol Deng. He got 12m a year and his contract was considered toxic trade-wise. Even if Kawhi was 33% more valuable than Luol Deng (which he isn't), wouldn't his contract still be considered ty since Deng's was?

    I don't see it happening. Dumb rumors, lame attempt at sabotage. Now it isn't like Leonard can't get better, but getting that good in one year isn't likely. I see your point, but I don't think any team would pay that.

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    Nothing can exceed five years now. For players on rookie deals, an EXTENSION can only be five years if it is for the MAX. If it's for less, like Kevin Love, it can only be for four years.
    I think he means that only players who can be locked up for more than five years at any time are those on Designated rookie extensions. If the Spurs were to use theirs on Leonard, they'd have Kawhi for the next six years. There's no other situation for which that is true outside of trading for one Designated rookie.

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    I see your point, but I don't think any team would pay that.
    That remains to be seen.

    My question to you is: If you're RC, and Kawhi brings in a max offer sheet next summer, do you match it or let him walk? (assume that he only improves from year 3 to year 4 by roughly the same amount that he improved from year 2 to year 3)

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    That remains to be seen.

    My question to you is: If you're RC, and Kawhi brings in a max offer sheet next summer, do you match it or let him walk? (assume that he only improves from year 3 to year 4 by roughly the same amount that he improved from year 2 to year 3)
    I don't even think that's a question.

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    I don't think he will get offered a max though. Let's look at a similar player production-wise; Luol Deng. He got 12m a year and his contract was considered toxic trade-wise. Even if Kawhi was 33% more valuable than Luol Deng (which he isn't), wouldn't his contract still be considered ty since Deng's was?

    I don't see it happening. Dumb rumors, lame attempt at sabotage. Now it isn't like Leonard can't get better, but getting that good in one year isn't likely. I see your point, but I don't think any team would pay that.
    Deng's 12M was probably a MAX deal under whatever salary cap he got it under. He was also less talented than Kawhi on offense. He can't shoot nearly as well, and I'm not sure he even knows what a rocker step is or what the triple threat position is.

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    This is quite the conversation. I will throw my 2 cents in. When comparing Leonard's production this year to George's production last year, it is ridiculously close. The biggest difference was that George had a 28% higher usage rate. But that doesn't signify that he is better, just that Indiana needed to rely on him more. The ultimate questions is whether the spurs think that Leonard will continue to function at this level (or improve) with a higher usage rate. The other chance is that running the ball through him more, might decrease his efficiency. Ultimately we won't know that until it happens. But the spurs will have to pay for what they believe will happen. If they think he will help carry a team, then they will give him the max. Teams are allowed two super max deals. So why can't he get one even if he is the #2 guy. If they don't think he will ever be more than just a number 3, good starter, ultimate role player, then they will let him walk for more money or they can try to convince him to stay for less.

    I am not saying that Leonard is as good as George, I am undecided. What I am saying is that teams do hand out max contracts based on potential. George got his deal after he put up 16.4/7.3 (per36). So it would not be totally ridiculous to see Leonard get offered that money after a 15.8/7.7 (per36) season. I personally hope the spurs wait one more year, but I will not second guess them if they offer it. They get paid a whole lot more than I do to make these decisions.

    And anyone who thinks a max deal would fracture the locker room has not been paying attention to this organization for the past 20 years.

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