Where do Parker & Ginobili rank post-Jordan at their positions?

[Brazil]

What? I doubt TP would average more assists in another team than in Spurs.. the ?

Its highly likely tbh

now if hockey assists would exist, here spurs are the perfect team for dat kind of stat for a pg

[skulls138]

Nash #1 after Kidd. CP3 also above Parker. Parker just has had better coaching, teams and the GOAT PF, as well as having Manu and countless backups to bail him out of big situations where the Spurs were about to be eliminated.

In fact, I'll go a step further and say Parker is the quintiscential (sp?) Spurs System product. Put Parker on the Clippers or Nets or Hornets or Cavs and he would blow donkey balls. Guys like Dion Waiters would be better than him on those teams, b/c there's no Pop to scheme up the perfect systems, hide him on defense, pull him when he's choking against the average athletic players he always chokes against, and finally no Duncan to drop the ball into when he's being doubled. Guys like CP3 just split the double and find a way.

Nah, the "system" doesnt teach him those under the basket moves, nor the teardrop. Also maybe Parkers more coachable. I realize in this day and age that doesnt count for much but just looking at Westbrook makes coachability a valuable asset. Other reasons is that Parker made me realize that being pass happy, like Nash, isnt all its cracked up to be. Id rather have a pass happy team than a pass happy PG where everyone is just waiting around to be blessed with some brilliant pass. Its like Nash is the brilliant one and everyone else are his dunkers. Doesnt make for great team chemistry.

[letmk]

Pic put Parker 3 too tbh
cp3 is loaded with talent but dude is failing at highest stage.

I'm a Spurs homer. But I would say that CP3 could have the success with the Spurs and Tony would not be even close to reproduce what CP3 does in New Orleans and LAC.

[barbacoataco]

Ginobili is hard to rank because he is such a unique player. Parker is a great player and for some reason underrated and under-appreciated on this board. I just watched all 5 games from the finals last night and I was surprised at how well Parker played seeing it in hindsight. In game 4 he was the man in the crucial 1st half where they broke their will. Throughout the series he got big baskets and he was after all the leading scorer in the finals.

Parker has a good argument for best point guard since magic. And that is not homer, it is the truth. He played head to head against Kidd, Nash and CP3 in the playoffs and usually got the best of them. Steve Nash didn't play any defense. Jason Kidd had no jump shot. Chris Paul hasn't had success in the playoffs, and is also a weak defender. People forget now, but back in 2005-2007 Parker was a good defender. He wasn't a complete player in the beginning, but worked hard and became one. I predict Parker's reputation will grow in the future when they look back at his career in the future.

Also, this idea that he is only successful because of the system is ridiculous. Since the moment he came in the league he could get to the basket and finish. If anything he would have had more individual success on an average team because he would have got more shot attempts, therefore ppg, and the average fan thinks someone who scores 21 ppg is better than someone scores 19. Spurs fans should appreciate Parker.

[letmk]

I'm a Spurs homer. But I would say that CP3 could have the success with the Spurs and Tony would not be even close to reproduce what CP3 does in New Orleans and LAC.

That CP3 is overrated is when people try to compare him to players like LeBron and Durant. But he's definitely been the #1 PG for a few years now.

[TheyCallMePro]

Parker - Best PG

Ginobili - Best SG

[therealtruth]

Manu on a per minute basis was as good as or better than Kobe, however he never played as many minutes as Kobe. TP is also underrated with his ability to score inside for PG.

[barbacoataco]

That CP3 is overrated is when people try to compare him to players like LeBron and Durant. But he's definitely been the #1 PG for a few years now.

Why? He's got great numbers, but in the playoffs when it matters against stiff compe ion, he hardly looks like "definitely" the best point guard. Did you watch him in the rockets-blazers series? He plays zero defense. Winning matters.

[Manudona]

I do not understand why anyone would pick Wade over Many, the guy is much younger but already looks terrible and if it weren't for the love affair with the whistle probably wouldn't have a fmvp either

[cd021]

If TP averaged 2 more assists per game I would say he's better than CP. I really appreaciate assists when it comes to a PG.

Interesting note: Ric Bucher questioned several seasons ago whether Pauls assists were inflated at home in New Orleans because of the odd level of disparity on the road.

There of course, is usually a bit of disparity but assists, more any stat, is up for debate. twice in his last 3 seasons with N.O his road assists were at least 1.5 lower than at home

10-11 season
Home-10.7
Road-8.8
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-1.9

09-10
Home-11.0
Road-10.3
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-.07

08-09
Home-11.8
Road-10.3
---------------1.5Paul is a great play maker but found that interesting. Parker did have season, 3 years ago, where he averaged 1.5 assists fewer on the road.

Always wandered how much Manu's presence suppressed Parkers assists. Parker does have a tendency at time to ignore players (or it could be his court vision isn't quite as good as Pauls is) looking at some Green and Leonard highlights and he completely missed them open for 3's.

[skulls138]

I'm a Spurs homer. But I would say that CP3 could have the success with the Spurs and Tony would not be even close to reproduce what CP3 does in New Orleans and LAC.

I believe the Spurs are better with Parker than they would be with CP3. The reason is that Parker fits the Spurs better. CP3's passing ability would just negate the teams passing game which would just stagnate the offense. Parker brings a pure scorers mentality that bales the Spurs out if the shot clock is running low and hes also a one man fast break.

[emanueldavidginobili]

It's crazy how much better 32 year old manu was compared to 32 year old Wade. 32 year old Manu was a beast!! I must admit though prime Wade was something else

[Mel_13]

It's crazy how much better 32 year old manu was compared to 32 year old Wade. 32 year old Manu was a beast!! I must admit though prime Wade was something else

It's even crazier that 36 year old Manu was so much better than 32 year old Wade. Too bad 36 year old Manu was also so much better than 35 year old Manu.

[Brazil]

I'm a Spurs homer. But I would say that CP3 could have the success with the Spurs and Tony would not be even close to reproduce what CP3 does in New Orleans and LAC.

Im pretty sure TP would do just fine in LAC. Like it or not TP never deferred to Pargo. Cp3 has some bobo DNA sometimes, he is a so much better player when he is in attack mode.

[Mel_13]

Im pretty sure TP would do just fine in LAC. Like it or not TP never deferred to Pargo. Cp3 has some bobo DNA sometimes, he is a so much better player when he is in attack mode.

Paul can't get a pass for never getting out of the second round. These recent Clipper teams have had as much talent as Dwill's 2007 Jazz.

[Old School 44]

Parker's the number 1 point guard. In recent time, what point guard from a winning championship team has been a primary part of the team? The Heat, Mavs, Lakers...no, no and NO!

Manu number 1 shooting guard. Just as fiery, passionate about the game as Kobe. Slightly less talented, but if I had to choose in their prime, I'd choose Manu everytime. Why? For no other reason than I think he's a much better teammate. Kobe would throw you under the bus, get in it, and drive right over you, then put it in reverse just to make sure.

[apalisoc_9]

Manu is the third best SG Post Jordan..

Tony is the third best PG post jordan..

[superbigtime]

When are Spurs fans, and the rest of the sporting world, going to recognize Parker's greatness? I agree with Barbacoa, he is best PG since Magic. He is more of a complete player than any of the usual suspects. His style of play is just amazing to watch, I always have faith in Tony. Rondo is my other favorite but he has a long way to go to achieve greatness.

Manu's always had health concerns. I've got him behind Kobe and Wade, but I like him a uva lot more than those jerks.

[Mikeanaro]

I do not understand why anyone would pick Wade over Many, the guy is much younger but already looks terrible and if it weren't for the love affair with the whistle probably wouldn't have a fmvp either

Lots of haters wanna forget the whistle affair and his lack of court vision bad 3 point shooting and donkey fugly face, dude is already done at 32 only a drunk would say he is better.
Manu over Kobe to me, easy Manu is more efficient per minute without the ballhogging and makes everyone on his team look better, when the Kobe did that? and WADE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Manu doesnt have a big ego and if he were playing for the Lakers instead SA media will be making him the best thing ever, they elevate Pau who was a barely decent player so imagine what they could do with Manu.

[SpurSwag]

Manu #3 behind Kobe and Wade.

Parker #4 behind Jason Kidd, Steve and CP.

Exactly this, though I could understand iverson being ahead of Manu too if the conversation is about skill and talent.

[Mikeanaro]

Parker's the number 1 point guard. In recent time, what point guard from a winning championship team has been a primary part of the team? The Heat, Mavs, Lakers...no, no and NO!

Manu number 1 shooting guard. Just as fiery, passionate about the game as Kobe. Slightly less talented, but if I had to choose in their prime, I'd choose Manu everytime. Why? For no other reason than I think he's a much better teammate. Kobe would throw you under the bus, get in it, and drive right over you, then put it in reverse just to make sure.

It seems because they play for a winning team they dont deserve the #1 and yet nobody has a legit reason to make the other candidates better.
I see Manu being great playing for other teams, and Tony on other teams could be a kind of scoring champion without Duncan&Manu.
Padding stats can be so confusing for some people.

[ontheraise]

i just have one question who among cp3-jason kidd- steve nash had ever own tp on their matchup. the only pg to knew parker's number was marbury when playing for suns, parker always had issues against him. all others pg have been rape by parker on a regular basis.

[Old School 44]

It seems because they play for a winning team they dont deserve the #1 and yet nobody has a legit reason to make the other candidates better.
I see Manu being great playing for other teams, and Tony on other teams could be a kind of scoring champion without Duncan&Manu.
Padding stats can be so confusing for some people.

I love Pop and TD, but Tony and Manu get the short end of the stick sometimes regarding their individual stock because of them and "the system".

With this Championship, a lot of the Spurs' harshest critics are finally recognizing the sustained brillance and dynasty that are the Spurs. It's time they recognize the individual brillance of Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili, as well as their place together in basketball history, as one of the best point guard/two guard combos to ever play the game.

[smaka]

so you think cp3 will average 10ass a game playin 30min in spurs system?

[Emperor]

Some homer takes were expected but Manu better than Wade and Kobe and comparable to Jordan??

What kind of drugs do you have down in San Antonio?

Never said he was comparable to Jordan. Manu in his prime obviously was more than capable of taking over games and against the best of defenses, ('05 Pistons) Jordan had to go up against the likes of Clyde Drexler, Terry Porter, Dan Majerle, Shawn Kemp, Byron Russell in the finals. Prime Manu had abit more huevos and nastiness to his game than these guys even though Kemp is one of my alltime favorite players. Dude was all over the place at times. Would definitely cause problems for Jordan but lucky for him he has Pippen