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They could always go after one using the MLE. I'm not as familiar with sign n' trade rules so I'm not sure Mills can be packaged to get Hill (assuming he is willing to play for Indy)
Didn't say that I wanted Hill, the idea of the thread was whether Hill would be a good fit in San Antonio now given how drastically the team has changed. I know how bad his contract is and how crippling it is for Indiana. Part of me is interested to see how that bench would perform with both Joseph and Hill playing alongside of Manu, Diaw and another big.
Mills is probably the better fit, and can get hot quickly, despite playing less than 20 mpg.
He never was a PG but a combo guard. A guy who is fairly big for a PG but not big enough for a 2 guard who can dribble the ball without turning the ball over. Indiana mistook him for being able to run an offense. In San Antonio he never really ran the offense for long stretches without Manu or Parker off the floor.
I think alot of his struggles have to due with Indianas offense. A case can be made for Hill being the biggest problem but he is performing about as well as to be expected given how Voguel is misusing him. I would bring him off the bench for Watson or have him play along side Watson for stretches, so he isn't responsible for having to run the offense for long stretches.
The draft pick is part of the reason why I'd consider my hypothetical. The Pacers are in a bit of a bind and his contract is the reason. If they move his deal for cap relief then I'd be surprised if they wouldn't have to include a pick similar to the Spurs moving Jefferson to GSW.
The Spurs are still going to have cap space following next season. With or without Hill. Adding an additional $ 4 million per season over the next 3 years to what Mills is likely to make in that same span for the Spurs. Adding a second 1st rounder in 2016 would help the Spurs further stock pile talent with the hopes that they won't have to bottom out (ala Phily) to return to championship contention and go more of a Houston or Indy route where they are more compe ive and draft in the early teens.
They could always go after one using the MLE. I'm not as familiar with sign n' trade rules so I'm not sure Mills can be packaged to get Hill (assuming he is willing to play for Indy)
Hill makes 8 million a year?
Yeah, Bird's not taking our call.
GOOD LORD!!! indy shouldn't trade anymore.
Hill would nice but that train has long come and gone. Rather stick with Marco and Daye.
Daye is probably gone either way.
Then I think it comes down to:
Marco's value to the value of HILL plus the pick. I think no, because Hill will want money, and I think Marco is more loyal. Hill cant play offense for and Marco is the same on defense. Hill is never going to make a huge play, Marco will. So no. I wouldnt do it. I hate George Hill's game.
Yeah... that deal was brutal in hindsight. Plus Scola could need to be waived or moved in order to allow them to keep Lan without going into the luxury tax. His rep has undraveled a bit after the Hill/ Leonard deal and that one.
NO! NOOOOO! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
The Pacers would demand a PG in return. And there's no way they would take an end-of-the-bench guy like Ayers back. Not even for a year.
Furthermore, from the Spurs perspective, it doesn't make any sense because of Hill's absurd 8 million a year contract that's guaranteed for the next 2 years. Patty Mills might get 5 million a year, but that's still significantly less. And Hill has regressed at Indiana. His ball-handling and 3 point shooting is now atrocious compared to what it was here. It would be hard to adjust from all the bad habits on the offensive end that Indiana instilled in him.
I like Kyle Anderson better than Hill.
Even tho Anderson's is all "potential" right now...I like the potential
why? so we can watch him get burnt by the lillards, ellis, westbrook, dragic in the western conference?
oh the nightmare when nash murdered him
The whole George was Pop's favorite player was and still is bull. RC trolled the Pacers bigtime. Hill was a horrible ball handler and could only defend PGs and after Dragic & Conley schooled him in two consective playoffs, RC pulled the trigger by selling his high.
Thank god, the pacers bought it cause we'd be looking at a very ugly stretch right about now. Duncan, Manu & Pop would've retired by now. Heck Pop wants to continue coaching only cause of Kawhi.
As a person and a player I would want him back but he would have to take a pay cut which I don't think he would mind.
You should send your Hypothetical to Pacers front office.
Me personally I would want Nando DeColo back first. He was coming along real nice, but was just so buried behind all the guards we had. Reminded me of a young Manu. Can you imangine Nando with more playing time / experience, in our system.
If Patty leaves we need to make Nando a priority.
Nando's a RFA right now. Looks like the Raptors want him back. I like Nando, but he had a bad at ude thinking he deserved playing time and not improving the aspects of his game Pop wanted him to. That why he got traded and the other guys who didn't complain had their chance to shine this playoffs (notably Mills and Baynes).
No to Hill. Seemed like a great teammate. But as Indy has found out he's not a starting point in this league, especially not for 8m. He's a solid backup and that's it and we have Patty and Cojo at a better salary. I think it was Bill Simmons who said the Spurs got to the "lottery" for their third time with that trade.
Pass. Beli hit a huge shot for us in the Finals. He'll be better next year and can burn regular season time at the SG while Manu rests after international play.
It's no longer hypothetical. George Hill is back in San Antonio.
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Where's his bestie Dejuan?
In all fairness, Hill play was much better with the Spurs b/c of its system and playing next to Manu. That is why Young and Monroe have heard from other team's mgt that they are reluctant to make big offers to Diaw and Mills b/c they feel that their numbers couldn't be replicated outside of the Spurs System.
I guess teams have learned this from the Hill trade. I always thought Hill was a MLE player and would still be a great fit for the Spurs. But at 8 mil, he is overpaid and the Spurs don't overpaid players. Only one I can remember is Rasho.
This. Thank you. Well said.
Hill was never good at running the offense, imo.
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