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    I don't know all the biological science between thse, but what I gather, regular table sugar and HFCS have the same two molecule components. The difference is table sugar is made from sugar cane, beets, etc, and the fructose glucose content are a perfect 50%/50%. It is a more stable molecule and not absorbed in the stomach, but requires metabolism in the small intestine. This leads to positive nutrition for the gut flora to digest our foods. HFCS on the other hand are not in this complimentary 50/50 mix, processed to enhance sweetness, and much of the molecules break down in the stomach, being more immediately dissolved in our bloodstream rather than being broken down before entering the bloodstream. Once the glucose-fructose bond is broken, it can directly pass into the blood. Probably why it is sweeter also. Breaks down more readily in out mouth.
    More stable, nope.
    Stomach... Stomach? Why do you even mention the stomach when referring to carbohydrates?

    And it continues... Those questions were asked so you would read and then possibly understand that what you write is... Massively wrong.

    So yes good day. I now understand that when you say you want to know how wrong you are, you really don't want to know how wrong you are.
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    What the is your problem?

    "I don't know all the biological science between thse, but what I gather,"

    Can you not understand what this means? And why, after I revise this in my next posts, do you stick to this?

    Why are you so butthurt over this Fuzzy?

    I mean wanna-be-fuzzy...

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    He said yes, so I took this to mean No.

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    Why do you insist I school you?

    More stable, nope.
    For sucrose, a disaccharide, it takes (I believe) an specific enzyme, to break the bond between the fructose and glucose. This doesn't happen till it's in the small intestine.

    Stomach... Stomach? Why do you even mention the stomach when referring to carbohydrates?
    Because glucose will enter the bloodstream through the stomach lining. I believe fructose does too. HFCS has these as free, unbonded molecules. In other words, monosaccharides.

    And it continues... Those questions were asked so you would read and then possibly understand that what you write is... Massively wrong.
    I'm sorry, I don't see what my "massively wrong" mistakes are. You insinuate this, but will not prove my "massive" mistake.

    So yes good day. I now understand that when you say you want to know how wrong you are, you really don't want to know how wrong you are.
    LOL...

    No, I just want you to put up, or shut up. You are looking like an ignorant jerk like fuzzy. I do believe you are capable of being better than that.

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    Why do you insist I school you?


    For sucrose, a disaccharide, it takes (I believe) an specific enzyme, to break the bond between the fructose and glucose. This doesn't happen till it's in the small intestine.


    Because glucose will enter the bloodstream through the stomach lining. I believe fructose does too. HFCS has these as free, unbonded molecules. In other words, monosaccharides.


    I'm sorry, I don't see what my "massively wrong" mistakes are. You insinuate this, but will not prove my "massive" mistake.


    LOL...

    No, I just want you to put up, or shut up. You are looking like an ignorant jerk like fuzzy. I do believe you are capable of being better than that.
    NO sucrose is less stable because IT CAN be broken down outside of cells

    in cells it takes many many enzymes to completely break down fructose and glucose (see cellular respiration)
    The small intestine has NO enzymes to break down glucose or fructose

    Glucose does NOT enter the bloodstream via the stomach lining.
    Fructose does NOT enter the bloodstream via the stomach lining.

    HFCS also has sucrose.

    So far you are patently WRONG with everything above.
    Do you wish to continue Mr. Put up shut up?

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    NO sucrose is less stable because IT CAN be broken down outside of cells

    in cells it takes many many enzymes to completely break down fructose and glucose (see cellular respiration)
    The small intestine has NO enzymes to break down glucose or fructose

    Glucose does NOT enter the bloodstream via the stomach lining.
    Fructose does NOT enter the bloodstream via the stomach lining.

    HFCS also has sucrose.

    So far you are patently WRONG with everything above.
    Do you wish to continue Mr. Put up shut up?
    LOL...

    That does not coincide with the things I have read.

    I'm not talking about "breaking down" glucose or fructose FuzzyToo. Why are you ASSuming things I don't say? I have revised my initial post on this, repeatedly said so, but you keep going back to it.

    And yes, Glucose factually can be absorbed into the bloodstream from the stomach. This is fact.

    Sucrose cannot be absorbed in the stomach, or small intestine. The enzyme has to break the bond between the two before the can be absorbed.

    HFCS may have sucrose, but I don't think it will exceed 10% of the sugars.

    You contend I am wrong, but you will not back it up...

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    LOL...

    That does not coincide with the things I have read.

    I'm not talking about "breaking down" glucose or fructose FuzzyToo. Why are you ASSuming things I don't say? I have revised my initial post on this, repeatedly said so, but you keep going back to it.

    And yes, Glucose factually can be absorbed into the bloodstream from the stomach. This is fact.

    Sucrose cannot be absorbed in the stomach, or small intestine. The enzyme has to break the bond between the two before the can be absorbed.

    HFCS may have sucrose, but I don't think it will exceed 10% of the sugars.

    You contend I am wrong, but you will not back it up...
    Show me where you have read:

    sucrose is more stable than monosaccharides
    why do you think I asked you what metabolism means "Mr. Having a Breakdown"
    glucose absorbed in the small intestine as is fructose, only alcohol has any appreciable absorption in the stomach, the stomach does very little absorption of ANY bio molecules!

    HFCS can have widely varying amounts of Sucrose.

    Where did you get so many things wrong from, it's quite amazing you are so stalwartly misinformed. I really want to read this. And then actually read YOUR OWN site posted.

    Good God... You never cease to amaze me...

    And we we still have not finished, the screen must be blood red for you, massacre...

    If you require me to guide you with sites forget it.
    You are just WRONG and when you actually decide to read something about this you will find this out.
    If you don't believe what I have written... So what. Wallow in your ignorance.

    In your world was Duncan traded to Miami yet?

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    Show me where you have read:

    sucrose is more stable than monosaccharides
    I didn't say I read that. My initial post was revised. My initial post was worded poorly.

    why do you think I asked you what metabolism means "Mr. Having a Breakdown"
    WTF?

    glucose absorbed in the small intestine as is fructose, only alcohol has any appreciable absorption in the stomach, the stomach does very little absorption of ANY bio molecules!
    Your wording suggests you have found the evidence that some glucose is absorbed in the stomach like I said.

    HFCS can have widely varying amounts of Sucrose.
    Perhaps, but most have under 10% of anything other than glucose and fructose.

    Where did you get so many things wrong from, it's quite amazing you are so stalwartly misinformed. I really want to read this. And then actually read YOUR OWN site posted.

    Good God... You never cease to amaze me...
    I don't see anything you pointed out as wrong. It looks more like you are misunderstanding my words, and failing to ask me too elaborate.

    And we we still have not finished, the screen must be blood red for you, massacre...
    No red.

    I'm getting tired of you lack of proper debate though.

    If you require me to guide you with sites forget it.
    You are just WRONG and when you actually decide to read something about this you will find this out.
    If you don't believe what I have written... So what. Wallow in your ignorance.
    LOL...

    I've been thinking the same thing. Were you looking in a mirror when you wrote that?

    I guess you are stubborn in believing old knowledge. It might be recent years they discovered glucose is also absorbed in the stomach. I don't know how old this new knowledge is, but it used to be thought it was only absorbed in the small intestines.

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    I didn't say I read that. My initial post was revised. My initial post was worded poorly.


    WTF?


    Your wording suggests you have found the evidence that some glucose is absorbed in the stomach like I said.


    Perhaps, but most have under 10% of anything other than glucose and fructose.


    I don't see anything you pointed out as wrong. It looks more like you are misunderstanding my words, and failing to ask me too elaborate.


    No red.

    I'm getting tired of you lack of proper debate though.



    LOL...

    I've been thinking the same thing. Were you looking in a mirror when you wrote that?

    I guess you are stubborn in believing old knowledge. It might be recent years they discovered glucose is also absorbed in the stomach. I don't know how old this new knowledge is, but it used to be thought it was only absorbed in the small intestines.
    Glucose is not absorbed in the stomach it is absorbed in the small intestine. As is fructose. Don't try to slither out of your complete misunderstanding of the stomach.

    I asked you before what breakdown means since your lack of knowledge disagrees and misuse of terms disagrees with every medical finding for normal human beings. Read your own site, the one you posted, read it and follow the links.

    And your pretending to stumble upon new evidence when you had no idea what the old tried and true evidence was is disingenuous and more than pitiful.

    You wanted more, I gave you more.
    Pssss... We never went to the moon, it's old stuff.
    join the 9/11 crew on this site. Contact robdiaz.

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    Long argument short:

    HFCS has made sugar cheap and more available. Arguing about the nuances of its formation vs honey vs agave vs cane is just taking the focus off the problem.

    People eat too damn much junk and don't do enough physical activity. They want to say its someone else's fault they are a lard bucket.

    It's not the twinkies or mtn dew that made you fat.

    In moderation.

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    Pssss... We never went to the moon, it's old stuff.
    join the 9/11 crew on this site. Contact robdiaz.
    No thanks. You might want to be a member of that group, I don't.

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    Long argument short:

    HFCS has made sugar cheap and more available. Arguing about the nuances of its formation vs honey vs agave vs cane is just taking the focus off the problem.

    People eat too damn much junk and don't do enough physical activity. They want to say its someone else's fault they are a lard bucket.

    It's not the twinkies or mtn dew that made you fat.

    In moderation.
    Yep.

    Read the beginning of the thread.
    Exercise, moderation.

    The food industry does its best to hide simple sugar content.
    For guys like WC who can't read... or don't look at serving size numbers, it's not good.

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    No thanks. You might want to be a member of that group, I don't.
    Keep believing what you have written.
    Its massively wrong.

    You really belong. Being the non status quo trailblazer you have become in biochemistry...

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    Long argument short:

    HFCS has made sugar cheap and more available. Arguing about the nuances of its formation vs honey vs agave vs cane is just taking the focus off the problem.
    I agree for the most part.

    One thing that most should not disagree with is that the enzymes in the small intestines can only break the bonds of so many disaccharides in a given time, therefore there is a limit of sugar absorption. Monosaccharides effectively have no such limit of absorption because they are already in an absorbable form.

    People eat too damn much junk and don't do enough physical activity. They want to say its someone else's fault they are a lard bucket.
    Would the excessive junk food eating be so bad if all the sugars were disaccharides?

    It's not the twinkies or mtn dew that made you fat.
    Didn't Twinkies use to be made from cane sugar?

    Like everything.

    There are known cases of people dying from drinking too much water.

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    Texas Ag Commissioner Sid Miller sticks up for bake sales, deep fat fryers and local choice:

    http://www.texastribune.org/2015/04/...deep-fryers-s/

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    Texas Ag Commissioner Sid Miller sticks up for bake sales, deep fat fryers and local choice:

    http://www.texastribune.org/2015/04/...deep-fryers-s/
    Freedom!

    Liberty!

    BigAg M$s!

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    what do home baked cupcakes and deep fat fryers have to do with BigAg?

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    I'll take my answer off the air, thanks.

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    what do home baked cupcakes and deep fat fryers have to do with BigAg?
    highly processed, and subsidized, BigAg flour and sugar, then the BigAg's chicken, potatoes, and vegetable oil.

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    french fries and fried chicken and oil to throw in the fryer.

    fair points. something to do with BigAg. I see it more as Miller seeking the sympathy of obese and gluttonous Texans.


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    (deep fat frying has its place anywhere a hard-working Texan needs a cheap, quick meal. the quality of the french fries and fried chicken may vary from place to place.)

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    highly processed, and subsidized, BigAg flour and sugar, then the BigAg's chicken, potatoes, and vegetable oil.
    I eat chicken every day. Potatoes most days. Always boughten bread.

    I've lost 20 lbs the past two months, mainly choosing chicken for my meat. Why is this food? I could deep fry celery and put chocolate and salt on it, it doesn't mean celery is bad for you???

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