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says the guy who goes back and forth for pages and pages with SBM and avante in the club. you literally have no room.
Yeah, his money his guaranteed, but his hold on that roster spot is tenuous.
says the guy who goes back and forth for pages and pages with SBM and avante in the club. you literally have no room.
A trade seems really possible now. I can't imagine they're happy with Ayres after he's looked so bad in the summer league so far. It's a shame the team didn't give Damion James an extra non-guaranteed year. He, Daye and Ayres would have been enough to allow the Spurs to take back almost $6 Million.
Ayres is the real head scratcher. He's among the very worst rotation players the Spurs have had over the last decade or so.
You're seriously missing the point. I said his good shooting numbers were the product of ONE hot game. I have absolutely proven that point. That single game skews his numbers from pathetic to respectable (and down right great in 3pt%). It's a product of small sample size, clearly.
But I said nothing about tossing out all outliers. You said that. Nobody else.
Besides, while shooting 2 for 2 is technically a 100% FG% game, it is by no basketball fan's opinion a "hot" game.
I've been thinking about it too. I think it is looking more and more bleak for Ayres and Daye. I agree that a trade may be imminent.
If the 76ers are serious about tanking another season then I think Jeff Ayres can seriously help that team meet their goals!
It's the club.
Quite roomy there.
You're right. You said nothing about throwing out all outliers. You just started throwing them out. Starting with the one that bouys his numbers the greatest. And, who said hot? Nonetheless, it is added to the tally.
He shot well in the regular season =/= He had a great season for us
I would rather the Spurs eat their salaries than give up assets to dump them. I also think they'd only get rid of both in a trade for a better player. They only need one roster spot unless they have another player in mind for the 15th spot (assuming they sign a PG).
Um, did you or did you not write a long post about how his numbers were skewed because of that ONE great game he had, then went on and on explaining how he DIDN'T shoot 41%, because if you ingore the great game, he really shot in the 30's, which is garbage. That cherry picking.
Okay, so today's game was a ing abortion. They tinkered with the lineup from game 1 to try to get a little more impact and it was an unmitigated disaster. Both teams started the game shooting long jumpers. The Cavs made theirs, the Spurs did not. The Cavs began to take advantage inside as the Spurs tried to scramble. The Spurs continued trying to dig out of a hole all at once. I couldn't believe how often they would just settle for jumpers, but it put a knot in my stomach to watch. I thought I heard Motta laughing at one point.
My conclusion from this game: I'm glad as there's no four-point line.
There are no three point shooters on the summer league team. I would much rather see the coaches tell them that they aren't allowed to shoot threes anymore and see what happens.
Austin Daye
He seems to think this league was convened so he could showcase himself. On a team that prides itself on finding good shots and sharing the ball, I'm unsure how he thinks he did that by going Summer-league Kobe on the Cavs. I'm wondering if it's a coincidence that the Spurs signed Matt Bonner during the game. /sarcasm
Kyle Anderson
Basically a forgotten man in this game, he did his work against Wiggins. He didn't get blown by, destroyed, dunked on, or fouled out. He got a shot blocked, but he also had a brilliant steal on Wiggins in the open court. His touches were few and far between. I'm not in love with his shot selection early in the game, but, bad as it was, he was the only guy looking to score inside. I can hardly blame him for not passing the ball because most of the guys on the floor seemed to think they were playing Pop-A-Shot. As I mentioned after game one, I really like his physicality. He got whistled for dropping a shoulder into Wiggins. It was one of the bright spots in the game. He had a big matchup and was equal to the task. Despite the physicality, he has a very even keel emotionally. He really is a good pick for the Spurs, by far the best they could have expected from that draft position.
Bryce Cotton
Okay, he's not a point guard. I really thought he was a better floor general last year in college, but he doesn't have good vision, and the offense was a trainwreck with him in charge. I still like him though. He got his ass torched by Cherry, it's true, but I don't think it was all his fault. What I liked: at one point, Cherry was taunting him, and Cotton was smart enough to just run the offense he was given instead of trying to one-up the guy. I admire that discipline.
DeShaun Thomas
I wouldn't normally waste space writing about him, but he just worked so hard trying to bring the team back, he deserves a mention. This is what I saw and liked about Thomas since he was at Ohio State. He's got a lot of pride, and he's a guy who will just put on his hard hat and go to work when it comes time to do it. He's so tough, and he's clutch. I like players who are more likely to make a jumper when they have to or who step in and make a big play when the team needs it. Thomas is that guy, and that's why I liked him last year too. I was told then that I have to face the reality that, despite that ability, he's too bulky and unathletic to be a swingman, and he's too small to be a power forward, which is really his natural position. In college, he was just a guy who managed to make good things happen, which is why his points per possession were through the roof. I think of Daye as Chris Sims, and Thomas as Major Applewhite. One of them is the guy with all the upside, the other one is the one who finds a way to win. I just like watching him go to work. I think he'll get another camp invite, and I still have my fingers crossed.
Ok, lets start over.
Here is my thesis: Austin Daye's 3pt numbers appear good on the surface. However, they are a product of one hot shooting performance that sufficiently skews the rest of his season averages with the Spurs. When that one game is taken out of the equation, Daye actually shot very poorly last season from three (31.5%). His 2pt numbers are no better with sub-40 percentages. While sample size is clearly a factor, the nicest thing that I can say about his shooting is that hes "inconsistent".
Assessment: For a "shooter" prospect he is terribly inconsistent. The fact that his shooting woes continue in SL shouldn't surprise anybody. He wasn't knocking shots down during the regular season with the exception of one game that has people weak in the knees and ready to defend him as some purported dead-eye.
This, but fixed for accuracy.
This is a reasonable take. If he continues to stink it up in the summer league, and they keep him on board, he must really be killing it in practice, or something. If he's just having a slump, it's a bad time to be having it.
You have rephrased your cherry picking. It is the equivalent of me saying he has shot much better during these two summer league games by ignoring the one REALLY bad stretch he had. He is shooting very poorly, and putting himself in a predicament. We can agree on that. Goodnight.
I think this whole "killing it in practice" or "stinking it up in practice" thing is massively overblown, particularly when it happens during the regular season, when the team doesn't practice much. Anyone who looks at Daye sees he has an NBA body and just about every skill you could want, and every team thinks they can figure out the right combination to turn him into a player. Thus far, he's a poor man's Derrick Coleman. You just can't get him to do anything besides coast on his talent. If the Spurs keep him onboard, it's because there are no better options out there, and they're already paying him. They've got bigger reclamation projects on their resume than Daye, so every day they keep him is another chance to turn it around.
That's wrong. If a guy has one hot shooting game, you can throw it out if he never does it again. Gary Neal did it in summer league because he's a stud shooter. Anthony Tolliver did it in summer league because he got lucky.
Are you seriously that dense? This is exactly what I've been saying from the beginning. No change.
I'm done with you. I've actually laid out data and numbers. All you've wanted to argue is semantics in order to try and save face (as I predicted earlier).
It's pretty clear, we can point to one game in the last year where Daye shot well. Other than that, through the regular season and SL, he has shot poorly. Quite clearly that one good game is an outlier and very much atypical. What he consistently brings to the table is poor shooting - regardless of the level of compe ion.
obstructed what is your view on JaMychal Green? I only ask because I am starting to think that JG might be a better fit on our roster than Austin Daye.
To his credit, he does a much better job of playing within himself when he's with the Spurs. He's not careless with the ball and he doesn't take risks on defense. Summer league is a pretty good time for him to just see what he can do and see what he needs to work on. I wouldn't be surprised if the coaching staff has told him to do exactly that and not worry if it's ugly.
It seems pretty clear that the coaching staff has given him specific guidance and wants him to assert himself. Otherwise whats the point of him even playing SL? Hes a vet. You don't send vets out there unless you actually want them to gain some certain experience.
I will make note of this as one of the greatest lectures on statistics I've witnessed.
Yeah, I wasn't basing that estimation on these SL games. I assume that he's there to work on specific aspects of his game and he deserves credit for his willingness to go to the summer league at this point in his career. His performance last season was just terrible and didn't improve over the course of 82 games, at least IMO.
I like him. He's a good defender, a good energy guy, and he has a nose for the ball. He seemed to settle the team down with his defense, which seems odd to say. I think he gets a camp invite no matter what since he missed out on it due to injury before. I'd much rather have a team full of JaMychal Greens than a team full of Austin Dayes.
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